These are all really wonderful, Rob. Thanks so much for drawing our attention to them. And thanks to you, Lorenzo, for your remarks.
Sara J. Schechner Altazimuth Arts 42°36'N 71° 22'W West Newton, MA 02465 http://www.altazimutharts.com/ Sara J. Schechner, Ph.D. David P. Wheatland Curator of the Collection of Historical Scientific Instruments Lecturer on the History of Science Department of the History of Science, Harvard University Science Center 251c, 1 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138 Tel: 617-496-9542 | Fax: 617-496-5932 sche...@fas.harvard.edu |@SaraSchechner http://scholar.harvard.edu/saraschechner http://chsi.harvard.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: History of Astronomy Discussion Group [mailto:hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu] On Behalf Of Gent, R.H. van (Rob) Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:40 AM To: hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu Subject: Re: [HASTRO-L] Mosaic with sundial on a pillar Hi Lorenzo, Thanks for your insightful comments. You can find better images of the Antioch (Antakya) mosaic here http://www.uskinfo.ba/m/vijest/foto-pronaden-mozaik-s-porukom-budi-veseo-zivi-zivot-iz-3-stoljeca-prije-nove-ere/22031 A better image of the other sundial mosaic found in Daphne (Harbiye), also near Antioch, can be found here http://www.hatayarkeolojimuzesi.gov.tr/HatayMuzeWeb/faces/jsp/layouts/inventoryCollectionDetail.jsp?inventoryid=3762 For accessing the complete high-resolution image, save the website (complete) and look in the folder saved with the html file. The Hatay Archaeology Museum in Antakya has a website http://www.hatayarkeolojimuzesi.gov.tr/HatayMuzeWeb/flash/main_EN.html which gives digital access to numerous other interesting mosaics http://www.hatayarkeolojimuzesi.gov.tr/HatayMuzeWeb/faces/jsp/layouts/search.jsp?Lang=en The sundial mosaic is nr. 865. Also of interest is nr. 949a-950 with a panel illustrating the story of Perseus and Andromeda. More mosaics with a sundial on a pillar are here http://michel.lalos.free.fr/cadrans_solaires/autres_pays/royaume_uni/cs_ile_de_wight.html and here http://www.electrummagazine.com/2011/11/platos-circle-in-the-mosaic-of-pompeii/ rvg -----Original Message----- From: History of Astronomy Discussion Group [mailto:hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Smerillo Sent: maandag 25 april 2016 10:44 To: hastr...@listserv.wvu.edu Subject: Re: [HASTRO-L] Mosaic with sundial on a pillar Rob, The dot enclosing a circle is very important as the MSS evidence (v. Neugebauer and van Hoesen) is always of a circle with a little 'pointed cap' attached. I am not certain that the iconographic convention of mosaicists and astronomical writers need be the same, nor if there is other papyrical or inscriptional evidence for either, both of which are perfectly legible and understandable in se. The usual convention was to write out (Elios or Sol. But a representation of a man looking at a sundial would representationally take more naturally a pictograph of Sol, and a circle enclosing a dot does that nicely. I think that the 'little cap' is actually a borrowing from the usual iconographic representations ( as on the parapegmata from the Thermae Trainai, Dura Europus, the Rheinisches Landesmuseum mould, the Arlon hebdomadal, &c.) of SOL as a head with three or four radii, using only one, for, perhaps, scribal convenience. The inscription on http://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/foto/mosaic-depicting-man-looking-at-sundial-from-ancient-stockfotos/98953317 enatEparE / lasen ~ e(i)natE parElasen I would translate as 'it has reached the ninth(hour)' . Newspapers, and Turkish newspapers in particular, have some difficulty with AD and BC dates, as 1.) they are translating sloppily and 2.) they are essentially ephemeral in their scope. So the dates of the Graeco-Roman mosaics are not BC as you point out! feliciter. Lorenzo Smerillo Department of Classics and Humanities Montclair State University Montclair, NJ 07043 On 23 April 2016 at 11:15, Gent, R.H. van (Rob) <r.h.vang...@uu.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > The following news items on some recently discovered mosaics in Turkey > may be of interest to the list. > > > http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/be-cheerful-live-your-life-ancient-mo > saic-meme-found-in-turkeys-south.aspx?PageID=238&NID=98201&NewsCatID=3 > 75 > > > http://www.dailysabah.com/nation/2016/04/22/2400-year-old-mosaic-found > -in-southern-turkey-says-be-cheerful-enjoy-your-life > > Although the mosaics are probably later than claimed in these popular > press reports, the most interesting part of these mosaics (the middle > one) depicts what appears to be a hemispherical sundial on a pillar. > > Note that the Sun is indicated above the sundial as a circled dot. > > For a similar mosaic with a sundial (also found in Turkey), see > > > http://www.gettyimages.nl/detail/foto/mosaic-depicting-man-looking-at- > sundial-from-ancient-stockfotos/98953317 > > rvg > --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
