Chris, I would be very ionterested in this option - do you have any details?
Marcus On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:47:12 +0400, Christopher Saul wrote > You can stay on that soap box as long as you like Dave, if those are > the comments you want to make :) > > Some customers with heavy TV style requirements are currently > trialling Sun Ray with LCD screens that take in a TV feed separately > from the computer feed. I can't remember off the top of my head > what that feature is called, but it works well - 'computer' stuff > fills the screen and is all thin client friendly. TV feeds such as > Bloombeg and CNN sit in a separate window in the LCD screen and > don't impact the thin client setup's bandwidth or performance - best > of both worlds. > > I know this isn't practical for every customer environment and it > would be great if Sun Ray did everything a PC can do *and* was a > zero admin device, but sometimes you need a bit of creative thinking. > > Chris > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > (Start soapbox) > > I Have close to 1400 Sun Ray DTU's in operation. We have tested video on everything from E420R's to SF4800 systems. The bottom line is that the Sun Ray is the best "time share" device on the planet. To define "time share", if you have a 100 users, only 10-20% normally are using their desktop at any given instance. The other 80-90% are reading a web page,typing an e-mail, or talking to there cube mate. 100 users watching a video streaming of cnn.com does not fall into the "time share" model. Video would work if the users dont mind a 2 inch screen, but that is not practical. There are methods to watch cnn with streaming video, the best method it to buy a TV. A Ultra 20 desktop with a Dual Core Opteron with 2GB of RAM streams video quite well, however our company policy forbids all streaming audio and video. Bandwidth is simply to valuable to waste. I do agree that this would be a great future upgrade for the DTU's, but Im a SPARC loyalist where the real "Heavy Iron Exist". A > nd! > > if you want the best reason as to why the Sun Ray is the best time share device, we manage the 1400 Sun Rays (With Solaris and Windows Remote Desktops) with 2 administrators. Try that for TCO. (Sorry, end soapbox) > > > > Dave > > > >> From: Craig Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 06:11:56 EST > >> To: SunRay-Users mailing list <sunray-users@filibeto.org> > >> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] My results with video on SunRay > >> > >> Not trying to flame just educate. Conversation is always good. > >> > >> What I would ask is how does one manage thousands of those devices that > >> "boots a Linux 2.6.12 kernel". Sun Rays take a different approach. > >> Zero admin of the desktop, and 100 percent server based computing. > >> Somethings, such as video, are just not going to work as well. Not to > >> say we're not investigating how to make it better. > >> > >> Paul Matthews wrote: > >>> I'm not sure about a 100Mhz PC but its running on these 200Mhz units - > >>> but whether that includes video I'm not sure > >>> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT7499590573.html > >>> > >>> As for the details this article explains the approach to X compression > >>> http://www.nomachine.com/documentation/html/NX-XProtocolCompression.html > >>> > >>> Again, I realise I could be getting close to being flamed for suggesting > >>> something that I don't know a great deal about but I thought it worth > >>> pointing out in case the Sun engineers are looking for ways to reduce X > >>> traffic and had perhaps not heard of the techniques used by this company > >>> > >>> Craig Bender wrote: > >>>> Exactly. The Sun Ray only has a 100 Mhz processor. Find a 100 Mhz PC > >>>> and try to 1) load and OS on it and they try to run NoMachine on it. > >>>> > >>>> Jerry Callison wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Perhaps it should be renamed to "OneMachine"? > >>>>> > >>>>> Craig Bender wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> How much of an OS do you need to use Nomachine? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Paul Matthews wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I know I've mentioned this product before but the video output on > >>>>>>> NoMachine NX (http://www.nomachine.com) is very good. I'm not sure > >>>>>>> of the scale of rework involved (or any other compatibility issues > >>>>>>> for that matter) but I would guess the same thin client compression > >>>>>>> technology on Sun Rays could maybe solve a lot of these bandwidth > >>>>>>> problems > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Paul > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Christopher Saul wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Video is not a wonderful user experience on any true thin client > >>>>>>>> I've tried recently. Anyone who's rendering all their video on > >>>>>>>> the server is going to run into issues. Full screen video simply > >>>>>>>> isn't Sun Ray's target market. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What Sun did with Sun Forum, as I understand it, was to make it > >>>>>>>> work better with Sun Ray by having it bypass the X Server and talk > >>>>>>>> directly over the wire to the DTUs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Craig Bender can probably provide a bit more technical detail! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Leigh Porter wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> To summerise: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Video is crap on Sunrays... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, how did Sun make it work with their video conferencing tools? > >>>>>>>>> Does anybody have any results using this? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>> Leigh > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> David Hunnisett wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> got mythtv running on a sunray this weekend if the window was > >>>>>>>>>> small things were ok but the colors were totally wrong pink came > >>>>>>>>>> out as blue (so people look a little odd) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 19 Feb 2006, at 23:12, Leigh Porter wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have tried VLC and Realplayer, they both work ok with very > >>>>>>>>>>> small video windows (i.e. scaled down) but anything larger just > >>>>>>>>>>> sucks. It'd be cool if there was some magic that detected video > >>>>>>>>>>> and did something even more magic to make it just work nicely. > >>>>>>>>>>> That way you;d not need a special video player to play video to > >>>>>>>>>>> a SunRay, it'd just know that this screen area was rapidly > >>>>>>>>>>> changing, assume video and the rest would be magic. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> /me orders one bag of magic pixie dust from Ebay > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Leigh > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 19 Feb 2006, at 22:02, Lars Tunkrans wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have been playing with video on SunRays over the weekend. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Server is a MSI K8 Neo2 FIR MOBO with a 4800+ > >>>>>>>>>>>> dualcore 2.4 GHZ Athlon64 cpu > >>>>>>>>>>>> and 1 GB RAM. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Solaris 10u1 with SRSS 3.1 is installed. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Companion CD is installed. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I downloaded the Mplayer 1.07try2 source and built it with > >>>>>>>>>>>> /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -mtune=k8 -march=k8 > >>>>>>>>>>>> Downloaded a bunch of codecs and built it so it Mplayer can > >>>>>>>>>>>> play > >>>>>>>>>>>> MPEG , Windows Media, Real media and LIVE streams. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Downloaded the MplayerPlugin for mozilla and friends and > >>>>>>>>>>>> Gmaked it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Also compiled in Xvideo support to run on the Nvidia VGA > >>>>>>>>>>>> screen. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesnt run on sunrays though. Xvideo in fullscreen mode on the > >>>>>>>>>>>> Geforce6800 is cool ;- ) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Of the output formats that Mplayer supplies it seems that > >>>>>>>>>>>> SDL is the only one > >>>>>>>>>>>> that runs on SunRay. Xv, x11 ,or openGL does not work for me. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> After deployment of the MplayerPlugin I can play video-on > >>>>>>>>>>>> demand streams from > >>>>>>>>>>>> cnn.com and cmt.com on the sunray. both of these are > >>>>>>>>>>>> in Windows Media Format. > >>>>>>>>>>>> This would not work on a SPARC platform I suppose because of > >>>>>>>>>>>> the X86 codecs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> When I play a video stream from www.cmt.com I seem to use > >>>>>>>>>>>> about a fifth of a CPU. > >>>>>>>>>>>> so theoretical maximum on this PC server would be 10 > >>>>>>>>>>>> concurrent sunrays using video. > >>>>>>>>>>>> This should translate to 15 -18 concurrent videos streams > >>>>>>>>>>>> on a X4200 > >>>>>>>>>>>> I begin to see why people on this list are moaning about > >>>>>>>>>>>> video performance :-) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> How does this result compare to yours ? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Tunkrans > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> SunRay-Users mailing list > >>>>> SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > >>>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> SunRay-Users mailing list > >>>> SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > >>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users > >>>> > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> SunRay-Users mailing list > >>> SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > >>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users > >> _______________________________________________ > >> SunRay-Users mailing list > >> SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > >> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SunRay-Users mailing list > > SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > > http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users > > -- > Christopher Saul > Engagement Architect, Desktop & RFID > Sun Microsystems SEE > Mobile: +971 50 650 7041 > Office: +971 4 366 2634 > Ext: x12634 > _______________________________________________ > SunRay-Users mailing list > SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Incarta Tel: 1300 137 557 Fax: 03 9729 4377 _______________________________________________ SunRay-Users mailing list SunRay-Users@filibeto.org http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
