Craig, The reason for using W2K8/R2 is because this is a shop floor environment with dozens of affected thin clients so if this solution is to work, it has to be a multi-user solution as that's what we're using now [or else we have to re-architect the existing one].
Scott -----Original Message----- From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Craig Bender Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 1:13 PM To: SunRay-Users mailing list Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem That feature would only be available on the console and would require that the host had a GPU. I would test both vRDP and MS-RDP with Win7. No reason to use W2K8R2 in the VM. On 4/8/11 11:46 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: > We're about to start our experiment [using x86 Solaris + VirtualBox and a > W2K8/R2 virtual machine to see if it speeds up rendering of Right Hemisphere > drawings] and have a question: in the Virtual Box settings for the machine, > in the Display/Video tab there is a checkbox called "Extended Features: > Enable 3D Acceleration" which is grayed out. Anyone know how to "ungray" it > so it can be checked? > > Thanks. > > > Scott > > -----Original Message----- > From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org > [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Craig Bender > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 12:35 PM > To: sunray-users@filibeto.org > Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem > > Think of vRDP like capturing the output of a video card of the console. > It's not built for multiple people on the same machine (though it does > a method that you can have multiple "video cards", but that's just > mirroring what's coming from the single console. > > While we do have MS-RDP7 enhancements, due to the native of using the > native Microsoft experience features (unlike 2003 were we wrote > solutions that were limited to flash through IE and certain types of > content through WMP) the Sun Ray Server has to be more powerful. Which > is why I recommend trying your current setup but using a fast x86 server > at the Sun Ray server instead of the CMT servers, that can be very fasts > if applications are written to take advantage of the archtictures (i.e. > multithreaded aps operating in parallel) > > However vRDP has other features that either MS-RDP doesn't have or > actually blocks from working. For instance, DRM protected content won't > play over MS-RDP, but with vRDP, the software doesn't have any idea that > you are coming in remotely so things like the netflix player would even > work. > > > > On 2/8/11 12:20 PM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >> Craig, >> >> Does the fact that vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level make it less >> useful or even non-functional in a WTS scenario? Or does it perhaps mean >> that there will be resource constraints since it's not multi-user? >> >> It was my understanding that of the 2 performance tweaks [going to x86 and >> VirtualBox], vRDP was supposed to provide the lion's share of the >> performance boost. Has that been your experience? >> >> For scenario 1, did SRS 5.1.2 markedly improve SRWC, which is where I would >> imagine the action to be happening? >> >> We are currently pursuing scenario #2 but I suppose, along the way, we can >> also do #1. >> >> Thanks as always for your detailed information. >> >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org >> [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:44 AM >> To: sunray-users@filibeto.org >> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >> >> vRDP attaches at the Hypervisor level, it's not multi user like WTS/RDS >> >> The two things that I've suggested trying for your app are: >> >> 1) Use a modern x86 server (rather than CMT) and see how your app works >> with SRS 5.1.2 and our MS-RDP7 enhancements. Currently the CMT server >> in your mix is affecting how well our new RDP7 feature works since we >> have to convert the Microsoft enhanced bitmap stream to M-JPEG at the >> Sun Ray Sever layer. >> >> 2) Build a VirutalBox VM of Win7 (or 2008R2 if that's easier) and see >> how your app works over vRDP. Little if any processing takes place on >> the Sun Ray server. >> >> On 2/8/11 11:33 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>> Craig, >>> >>> Does your statement imply that, since there is only one console >>> display, that only 1 user would be able to use that W2K8/R2 WTS? Or can I >>> somehow still manage to put many users on the WTS and they can all take >>> advantage of the accelerated video? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org >>> [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:27 AM >>> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>> >>> The catch is that for 2008R2 is access by a vRPD would be akin to you >>> being on the console. Technically 2008R2 is RDP 6.1 with enhancements >>> that are only available to RDP 7 capable clients. >>> >>> On 2/8/11 11:05 AM, Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote: >>>> If I understand it correctly, I can still use a W2K8/R2 VM as the guest >>>> within VirtualBox and reap the benefit of video redirection. What tripped >>>> me up is the following line in the documentation: >>>> >>>> 7.1.9 VRDP video redirection >>>> [...stuff deleted] >>>> On the client side, however, currently only the Windows 7 Remote Desktop >>>> Connection client supports this feature. >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be more accurate to write "RDP 7" instead of "Windows 7"? >>>> Because W2K8/R2 uses RDP 7 but is not Windows 7, technically. >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org >>>> [mailto:sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org] On Behalf Of Craig Bender >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 8:06 AM >>>> To: SunRay-Users mailing list >>>> Subject: EXT :Re: [SunRay-Users] Client-side rendering problem >>>> >>>> Hi Ivar, >>>> Not all the pieces are in place to make that suggestion work seamlessly >>>> today, but I believe Oracle understands the benefit of such a solution >>>> and the value of having it work seamlessly with it's desktop >>>> virtualization offerings. >>>> >>>> I have to say that it warms my heart to see members of the community >>>> realizing the potential of VirtualBox brings to the VDI market. ;) >>>> >>>> Over the past couple of years, the product teams for Oracle VDI and >>>> VirtualBox have developed an amazing symbiotic relationship. Of course >>>> this is just my opinion, but I seriously doubt our any of our prior VDI >>>> efforts were really considered Sun acquired InnoTek. Nor do I think >>>> anyone ever really envisioned that the Sun Ray product group would >>>> become the primary consumer of VirtualBox technology. I know there are >>>> plenty of stories of people who left Oracle because they didn't like the >>>> decision made about the products they worked on, but I can't say I share >>>> that sentiment. It's a pretty exciting time to be involved with both >>>> Oracle VDI and Sun Ray. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/5/11 2:15 AM, Ivar Janmaat wrote: >>>>> Although I have not tested it. A theoretical solution would be possible >>>>> with Oracle VDI. >>>>> If you run a VirtualBox server with Windows XP/7 then you can enable 3D >>>>> hardware acceleration in de VM and VirtualBox additions software in >>>>> Windows. >>>>> If you connect from the Sun Ray server to the VirtualBox server with >>>>> VRDP then you can use de Rapid Changing Area (RCA) detection feature in >>>>> VRDP to get the 2D image compressed and sent to the Sun Ray. >>>>> I think this is the best route to go. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> Ivar >>>>> >>>>> Jahandad Khan schreef: >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> we are having a similar sort of problem, there is a product called >>>>>> virtual gl which has the exact solution to this problem. however the >>>>>> catch is that sun discontinued its support in 2009 (thereby the plugin >>>>>> which integrates a virtual gl server to sunray is now in-existent on >>>>>> the internet). I have tried contacting the developer incharge of it on >>>>>> source forge but the guy didnt reply. 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