I don't have any experience with the Wyse products, but have used Sun Ray for many years. We probably have the simplest set up going, a server, and a few Sun Rays. The server runs Solaris, and we don't use Windows virtual machines or anything like that.
In this config, I find it hard to believe that anything is as cost effective as Sun Ray, licensing costs are very, very low. As for TCO, well that's up for debate, but I find once I get the GUI firmware onto a Sun Ray, maintenance is over, and they "just work". Sun Rays don't see that many updates, but I like that, isn't that the point? That it is an extremely dumb device attached to a very non-dumb server? Anyway, great to hear from someone actually at Oracle. I'd love to see firmware available at no-cost, but Oracle needs to make Sun Ray pay the bills, I can accept that. On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Craig Bender <craig.ben...@oracle.com>wrote: > A few thoughts: > > I am curious as to how many of you have actually talked to your Oracle > Sales Rep before "concurring" with these statements? How many of your have > based Oracle's commitment level to the product have actually opened a > support case or posted questions to the Oracle Forums? > > Oracle does not keep acquired products that they do not believe have a > future. I'd challenge you to compare release timelines from both Sun and > Oracle and see under which flag the product has had more major releases and > more features. If Oracle was not committed to Sun Ray and VDI, it would > have been gone very soon after the acquisition. > > I can tell you Oracle is committed to Sun Ray and VDI. I get that people > are unhappy with some of the changes (Firmware requiring a support > contract, Public road maps, social media changes), but those things have > very little bearing on whether or not Oracle is committed. > > Well, that's not exactly true, at least for the firmware change. Oracle is > a business, Sun Ray/VDI are products that it sells. Support/Maintenance > help pay for developing and supporting the product. There's been more than > a few emails on this list from people asking how to get the firmware for > free. There's been more than a few on this list that have enjoyed release > after release, never having paid for support or maintenance. > > Oracle strictly follows rules and federal regulations when it comes to > accounting. One of those prevents us from discussing futures for releases > that are not in the calendar year in order to win business. That business > actually cannot legally be "recognized" unless that feature was (or is > imminently) available. It's true that Sun used to "Open the Kimono", but > it wasn't that effective. > > Speaking purely for myself (though I'm sure on the behalf of everyone > involved with Sun Ray/VDI), I love that you love our product, but I'm > person just like you. I have a family, like many of you. I have bills to > pay, like all of you. There's a reason why Sun isn't around anymore and > it's not because of irrelevant technology. > > So regarding Wyse/Others, do an apple to apples comparison please. Look at > all the software you have to buy, both on the client side (features) and > server side (management of clients) to give you what Sun Ray has built into > it. Be sure to include the maintenance costs. Let me know how many "real > people" you meet involved with the products. > > Sun Ray turns 14 this year, and it's still relevant today. If nothing > else, it's relevance is proven by the people on this list complaining that > there is no longer firmware available for the Sun Ray 150. A client that > last shipped in 8 years ago, and for which "Premier Support" ended in 2010. > Please show me recent drivers, bios, OS updates for another thin client > that is was EOL'd in May 2005. > > > > > On 5/3/13 6:20 AM, Schultze, Robert - Technology Services Server > Technology wrote: > >> We are also struggling to find a thin client solution that users embrace >> and is easy to manage. With only about 150 Sun Rays in an environment of >> 6000 computers, there is just not the critical mass or management support >> at this time. In my opinion Sun Rays need a 300+ implementation in order >> to be cost effective. Curious what other say about this. It appears that >> other non-Zero clients require less critical mass and expertise. >> >> I concur that the Sun Ray technology may be neglected by Oracle and >> therefore will fade away. Very unfortunate since virtualizing the desktop >> and thin client technology looks to be promising. Wyse (Dell) and others >> will gladly take the market share. >> >> Rob >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> sunray-users-bounces@filibeto.**org<sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org>[mailto: >> sunray-users-bounces@**filibeto.org <sunray-users-boun...@filibeto.org>] >> On Behalf Of >> sunray-users-request@filibeto.**org<sunray-users-requ...@filibeto.org> >> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:06 PM >> To: sunray-users@filibeto.org >> Subject: SunRay-Users Digest, Vol 112, Issue 3 >> >> Send SunRay-Users mailing list submissions to >> sunray-users@filibeto.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://www.filibeto.org/**mailman/listinfo/sunray-users<http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> sunray-users-request@filibeto.**org<sunray-users-requ...@filibeto.org> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> sunray-users-owner@filibeto.**org<sunray-users-ow...@filibeto.org> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of SunRay-Users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Wyse thin client vs sunray (Steven Gelsie) >> 2. Re: Wyse thin client vs sunray (Jens Langner) >> 3. Re: SRS 5.4 26D on Solaris 11.1 (Blaster) >> 4. Re: SRS 5.4 26D on Solaris 11.1 (Kent Peacock) >> 5. Re: SRS 5.4 26D on Solaris 11.1 (Blaster) >> >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ---------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 02 May 2013 16:11:34 -0400 >> From: Steven Gelsie <steven.gel...@jhuapl.edu> >> To: sunray-users@filibeto.org >> Subject: [SunRay-Users] Wyse thin client vs sunray >> Message-ID: <5182c876.8050...@jhuapl.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> At lunch I ran into some colleagues that were switching from Sunrays to >> Wyse thin clients. So naturally I ask them why and the response was >> cost. I have not gone through the exercise of pricing a Sunray >> configuration compared to a Wyse terminal configuration but probable will >> have to in the near future. Has any body in the sunray group gone through >> the process of justifying the Sunrays over the Wyse terminals ( including >> server cost) ? >> >> Steve >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > SunRay-Users mailing list > SunRay-Users@filibeto.org > http://www.filibeto.org/**mailman/listinfo/sunray-users<http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users> >
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