We were just talking about this... ------ Forwarded Message From: Scott McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:13:44 -0400 To: Doug Thurston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ASIP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: (Was)LPR Printing - (now)Atalk At 10:21 AM -0500 7/31/01, Doug Thurston wrote: >On 7/31/01 9:47 AM, "Donovan Brooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I've seen this exact behavior with Cisco switches and AT. At the exact >moment that workstation has problems with seeing things via AT, I can hit >the exact same devices perfectly over IP. > >I've applied all the "fixes" and configuration changes I can find and I >still have this problem. > >Irregardless, limiting AT traffic in a large network is a VERY noble goal >given the speed and stability advantages of IP. The only thing holding me >back at my schools, is the limited support for finding IP-only resources >(printers, servers etc). Doug, This is the whole point. There is nothing "noble" about eliminating AppleTalk. Eliminating AppleTalk from a network complicates support. You do not have to eliminate AT in order to use IP. The minimal amount of AT packets on a network used to find services does not measurably affect overall network performance. When you go to the Chooser to find a server, the Chooser is using AppleTalk to "see" the server, but connects via IP by default. You are getting the performance advantage of IP, while getting the ease of use advantage of AT. This is the best of both worlds. To banish AT for some nebulous overall network performance gain is simply not supported by the facts. This is one of those MHB (Mac Hating Bigot) concepts that simply does not hold up under carful scrutiny. I wish the bogus "AppleTalk is chatty" myth would die the death that it so richly deserves. It simply is not true. There is no benefit to eliminating AT on a network, and there are many disadvantages to eliminating it. So what if some network hardware fails to route AT effectively. You can still use IP. Better yet, choose network hardware that properly supports all protocols being used. Many printers in use do not support printing over IP. Do you want to throw away thousands of dollars worth of perfectly serviceable laser printers just because somebody thinks AppleTalk is slowing down the network? I challenge any one out there to sniff packets on their network and prove the AT is causing a *measurable* slowdown. Scott McCarty Bandwidth Bandit Tragically Hip _______________________________________________ appleshare-ip mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/appleshare-ip ------ End of Forwarded Message -- SuperMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... / Buy books, CDs, videos, and more from Amazon.com \ / <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/lowendmac> \ Small Dog Electronics http://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | --Service & Replacement Parts [EMAIL PROTECTED]| & CDRWs on Sale! | Star Trek Collection: Movies 1-7 on VideoCD, $38.88 from CoolVCD <http://lowendmac.com/ad/coolvcd.html> - - - - - SuperMacs list info: <http://lowendmac.com/supermacs/list.shtml> Send list messages to: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/supermacs%40mail.maclaunch.com/> Using a Macintosh? Get free email and more at Applelinks! <http://www.applelinks.com>
