On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 05:51:34PM -0700, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: > > The ISP can monitor your email even if they don't relay your mail.. > > > With the whole PayPal thing how > > > long before ISPs start using *their* TOSes as weapons against freenet > > > particpants. > > Only if they get scared. Unfortunately it is depressingly easy to > > detect nodes at present, we haven't removed the session negotiation (and > > other) bytes yet... > > Were the shareholders (or Disney, RIAA, MPAA, et al.) that disagree with > freenet/P2P principles to get on an ISP(s)'s case with FUD... > > I have no money but I wager 2 binary digits that one of the above > mentioned entities had something to do with PayPal's action taken against > the freenet donation account. I also wager that a transfer of a large > not-officially-disclosed amount of money or shares between higher-ups in > PayPal and said entity(ies) had something to do with the process. Put > short: I smell a payoff arrangement.
Possibly. I doubt it at this stage as freenet is nowhere near a mass market p2p threat yet. > > > > There are a lot more ISPs than PayPal's around meaning there is > > > statistically a lot more people that disagree with FreeNet's > > > principles wokring for ISPs. ISP could do the exact same thing to > > > someone participating in freenet either as a node or by participating > > > on one of their mailing lists in a similar manner to how PayPal > > > suspended the FreeNet donation account. All they'd have to do is look > > > through their MTA log and see the destination (they wouldn't even need > > > to see the message data) then do their thing ... > > Not very likely, but I personally run a mailserver on my box too. > > Unfortunately I started getting bounces for reasons similar to the > > This could easily have been an ISP rather than PayPal. Furthermore > whatever or whoever convinced PayPal to make this decision, having been > successful in his/her/its efforts, may progress and continue their agenda > now that they have determined that their method of warfare against the > freenet project is having success. Maybe, most ISP's terms and conditions are pretty vague; however, most ISPs make a good deal more from their users than paypal makes from us (2.5% of $18K/annum is $450/annum - big friggin deal). > > > above. Now I forward my mail through dodo.freenetproject.org via an SSL > > tunnel (no, we do not provide this service to anyone but core > > developers!). > > All the trends show that freedoms of speech and press are disintegrating > in all areas of the world and that the decline of these freedoms is > capitalist-consumer-economically and sometimes socio-theologically > motivated. Is money worth losing our freedom for? I don't think so but a > lot of shareholders probably disagree with me (because they're rich and > can effect political maneuvering). Welcome to Babylon! > > It's going to get to the point where everyone needs to run a freenet node > just to have secure private email conversations. Problem is getting > everyone you know and transfer email with to run freenet nodes (and some > of them may have hardware incapable of running a node effectively). LOL. Ever heard of PGP? -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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