Just curious. Does Freenet depend on one or a few specific machines to continue? In other words, is there any server(say Matthew's or Ian's) that is running code or maintaining data without which Freenet would die, or is Freenet truly living a life of it's own out in the nodelands?
On Wed, 2004-07-14 at 00:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send Support mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Support digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Freenet Project health (Toad) > 2. Re: Re: Freenet Expectations] (Toad) > 3. Re: The hang on lost Internet (Toad) > 4. build 60148 looks for Source fields in _all_ messages? > (Mika Hirvonen) > 5. Re: build 60148 looks for Source fields in _all_ messages? (Toad) > 6. Re: Re: Freenet Expectations] (Nicholas Sturm) > 7. Re: Freenet Expectations] (Wayne McDougall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:10:12 +0100 > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet Project health > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 09:31:23PM -0500, David Masover wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > Toad wrote: > > | On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 10:12:19PM -0500, David Masover wrote: > > | > > | Strange. It didn't produce actual error messages? Usually the node > > | responds in a reasonable time nowadays... of course if your browser is > > | set to only use 2 connections it might take a while... > > > > My browser is set to a bit more, but it still takes at least a few > > minutes to get an error. I think the error is usually either data not > > found or (more likely) key not found. These are from the default > > bookmarks -- things like FIND. Expect fewer 'I thinks' in my complaints > > when I actually have a node running again. > > > > |>| How much RAM does it have? We have had reports of reasonable performance > > |> > > |>256 megs, but it's also running a lot of stuff -- > > |>apache,squid,qmail,djbdns,dhcpd,samba,sshd,bincimap,stunnel > > |> > > |>Admittedly, there's not a lot of load on it, and a lot of that could be > > |>swapped. But I'm running Linux 2.6, and Top shows 99% CPU in userland, > > |>by Freenet -- not in IO-Wait, where it would be if RAM was an issue. > > | > > | How long after startup? I'd expect a CPU spike for the first hour or > > | two... it should go away after that... but is this on a 200MHz system? > > > > It is a 200 mhz system, but I usually don't leave Freenet running for > > very long. Like, I'll run it for an hour in the evening while I try to > > get content (and browse other sites while I'm bored of waiting), and > > then I'll shut it down for the night so my brother can game (he wakes up > > earlier than me). > > Okay, you'll never get acceptable performance. Tough. Not much we can do > about it. Well, maybe it'll improve with some future changes... > > > > | That's not been everyone else's experience :). Seriously, it's not a > > | matter of local node optimisation. It's a matter of optimising THE > > | NETWORK. That means getting routing working. > > > > Ah, I see. Still, they are sort of co-dependent. If a node has a > > massive spike in CPU usage for the first hour, it hurts the network. If > > the network is slow, it doesn't matter much how fast the local node is. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20040713/a9c7e17d/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:12:33 +0100 > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 02:00:16AM +0000, Wayne McDougall wrote: > > fproxy will timeout and then I have to start again. And then it won't even > > grab the parts it previously downloaded successfully :-( So over a period of > > weeks my perception is that I eventually move all the requisite parts into > > my local stored, and then fproxy will download it instantly :-) > > What do you mean by TIMEOUT? Do we STILL get that bug? Or does it just > fail? > > > > I certainly don't expect fproxy to be modified but perhaps one easy change > > would be an outer loop so it just circles back and tries again. It's > > probably just my low bandwidth, but I find that I will request something > > (and this includes web pages) and it's not there, and then 5 minutes, 10 > > minutes, 20 minutes, 1 hour, 8 hours later it's there. > > No, we should fix the bug. > > > > My assumption has always been that my requests go out in an ever widening > > circle off to where the data I want may be found, but my request timesout > > before it gets back to me. Eventually (by dint of persistent requests) it > > is lodged in local stores that I can reach before timing out. > > > > > > My interest is websites that can never get slashdotted and can host large > > > > files while sharing the load, rather than file-sharing... > > > > > > Yeah, that would be cool, if it really worked, and if we had enough > > > hosts to be able to worry about such things! > > > > Ahh, well I'm here for the long haul....not that I'm any use. :-( > > I am a big fan of the privacy elements also. > > > > So be encouraged. You're not just creating an anonymous slow file-sharer. > > You know and I know that Freenet is being used for good purposes now > > and I can see lots of potential for the future. > > Is it? Very few. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20040713/c2319c79/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:13:38 +0100 > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] The hang on lost Internet > To: Nicholas Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2004 at 09:48:41PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > > Todd, now that you're back with us: Obviously going into the 100% state > > after loosing a connection does nothing beneficial for the network. If > > I kill my note each evening in anticipation of the death and then > > reactivate it when I regain rationality the next day will this on-n-off > > activity of my node be of any value either to itself or to the network? > > Recall, I have dial up which is not great, but that I was getting > > integration until about two weeks ago, is running of any benefit at > > all? Thanks. Nick > > Sure, if it runs for 4 hours + it's probably useful... > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: Digital signature > Url : > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20040713/fb2b55cf/attachment-0001.pgp > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:11:51 +0300 > From: Mika Hirvonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [freenet-support] build 60148 looks for Source fields in > _all_ messages? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" > > > I'm getting loads of these: > > 13.7.2004 15:10:48 (freenet.HighLevelMessageFactory, Network reading thread, ERROR): > Caught freenet.InvalidMessageException: Can't find Source field on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL > PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea > e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd > 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] trying to parse FNP > message: > DataRequest > RequestInterval=32560.675246668114 > HopsToLive=4 > UniqueID=1b45916c74789aa1 > SearchKey=830c27445ac9a47544d1c889505dfea4a412a27b140302 > EndMessage > > freenet.InvalidMessageException: Can't find Source field on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL > PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea > e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd > 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] > at freenet.message.Request.<init>(Request.java:57) > at freenet.message.DataRequest.<init>(DataRequest.java:36) > at sun.reflect.GeneratedConstructorAccessor5.newInstance(Unknown Source) > at > sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:27) > at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:415) > at freenet.MessageHandler.getMessageFor(MessageHandler.java:110) > at freenet.HighLevelMessageFactory.create(HighLevelMessageFactory.java:52) > at freenet.PeerPacketMessageParser.parse(PeerPacketMessageParser.java:48) > at freenet.PeerPacketParser.processMessage(PeerPacketParser.java:268) > at freenet.PeerPacketParser.process(PeerPacketParser.java:201) > at freenet.MuxConnectionHandler.process(MuxConnectionHandler.java:462) > at > freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.processConnections(ReadSelectorLoop.java:491) > at freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:836) > at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:544) > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:566) > 13.7.2004 15:10:48 (freenet.PeerPacketMessageParser, Network reading thread, > NORMAL): Recognized type 1 but parse returned null for message from [EMAIL > PROTECTED] MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: > 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], > identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd > 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] of length 154 > > > -- > Mika Hirvonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://nightwatch.mine.nu/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:12:49 +0100 > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] build 60148 looks for Source fields in > _all_ messages? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Doesn't happen here, with 60147. How am I supposed to fix it? :( > I will update when I have finished the current local changes... > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 03:11:51PM +0300, Mika Hirvonen wrote: > > > > I'm getting loads of these: > > > > 13.7.2004 15:10:48 (freenet.HighLevelMessageFactory, Network reading > > thread, ERROR): Caught freenet.InvalidMessageException: Can't find Source > > field on [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: > > 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce > > 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 > > dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] > > trying to parse FNP message: > > DataRequest > > RequestInterval=32560.675246668114 > > HopsToLive=4 > > UniqueID=1b45916c74789aa1 > > SearchKey=830c27445ac9a47544d1c889505dfea4a412a27b140302 > > EndMessage > > > > freenet.InvalidMessageException: Can't find Source field on > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: > > 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce > > 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 > > dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] > > at freenet.message.Request.<init>(Request.java:57) > > at freenet.message.DataRequest.<init>(DataRequest.java:36) > > at sun.reflect.GeneratedConstructorAccessor5.newInstance(Unknown > > Source) > > at > > > > sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:27) > > at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:415) > > at freenet.MessageHandler.getMessageFor(MessageHandler.java:110) > > at > > freenet.HighLevelMessageFactory.create(HighLevelMessageFactory.java:52) > > at > > freenet.PeerPacketMessageParser.parse(PeerPacketMessageParser.java:48) > > at freenet.PeerPacketParser.processMessage(PeerPacketParser.java:268) > > at freenet.PeerPacketParser.process(PeerPacketParser.java:201) > > at > > freenet.MuxConnectionHandler.process(MuxConnectionHandler.java:462) > > at > > > > freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.processConnections(ReadSelectorLoop.java:491) > > at > > freenet.transport.AbstractSelectorLoop.loop(AbstractSelectorLoop.java:836) > > at freenet.transport.ReadSelectorLoop.run(ReadSelectorLoop.java:544) > > at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:566) > > 13.7.2004 15:10:48 (freenet.PeerPacketMessageParser, Network reading > > thread, NORMAL): Recognized type 1 but parse returned null for message from > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > MuxConnectionHandler[conn=[tcp/connection: > > 220.213.17.254:27154>local,[EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED], identity=[DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce > > 69ea e0b9 dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7)], > > sock=[Socket[addr=/220.213.17.254,port=27154,localport=13462]], > > chan=[java.nio.channels.SocketChannel[connected local=/82.181.27.153:13462 > > remote=/220.213.17.254:27154]], peer=[Peer [DSA(b9e8 a6dc 61ce 69ea e0b9 > > dece 27fd 3492 c2ca e8a7) @ 220.213.17.254:27154 (1/3)]], utbound=[false]] > > of length 154 > > > > > > -- > > Mika Hirvonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > http://nightwatch.mine.nu/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- miguel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _______________________________________________ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
