I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but: In the short to medium term, central seednodes are a necessary evil. Especially as there is very little use of the Distribution Servlet/ Spread Freenet thing for more organic spreading of Freenet. Right now, Freenet traffic is relatively easy to detect. This will be fixed with Sessionv2 at some point before 1.0. In the longer term, IF routing works, it may be possible for Freenet to work with a more static mesh. Combined with steganography this would work reasonably well in hostile environments where seednodes would be dangerous. Although if the attacker has access to the whole network, they can probably do significant damage just by tracing node connections. But the point: seednodes are not necessarily the last word on all this.
On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 10:38:33AM -0300, Lu?s Vit?rio Cargnini wrote: > excuse me but seednodes looks a great point to quit the entire freenet, > i start to use freenet because of it's working philosofy. > my $0,02 > On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 23:51, David Masover wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Toad wrote: > > > > | No, if you can do that, then you can portscan for Freenet nodes. That's > > | a REALLY bad idea. You need to use some sort of seednodes mechanism. > > > > Why is that a bad idea? If a government is paranoid enough, they can > > just put devices all over which block any crypted traffic. > > > > Some sort of way for an effective seednodes file to be chosen or built > > quickly, then. > > > > |>Obviously clients should be able to override that, but I think that fast > > |>node connection is feasable, if "The Network (TM)" was fast enough. > > | > > | > > | Maybe so. But we want them to be USEFUL to the network. That won't > > | happen if they're only up for 5 minutes. > > > > They are useful if they make it more popular. Suppose there is some > > lag, say, 30 seconds to a minute to get an effective seednodes.ref. On > > top of that, such a node probably wouldn't be able to have a terribly > > big cache. Then there's incentive for people to whine for permanent > > nodes, and it wouldn't be too long before these Public Access Internet > > Terminals (or whatever hype word they use now) start being preloaded > > with Freenet. > > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iQIVAwUBQQB9SHgHNmZLgCUhAQI/iBAAlmwi6Cq3M9hsrkFPMzt7R1kZm2UmVhlo > > FBOWVJSfNQMxNsMYNOiwdPLHBqRIoIvKJsvIbTORGu9/M283c2Voqq14RhprL14n > > nA518/8cAmhoBrNJuMXg5ji8IqDbX4Jn4zg40HGf5nvxSsAveGmbfVZ2T7NveKZO > > 6Cs87GCuxlizgstOFRKP6S5Tsvrk16skQzyevwDm9tClbS5w2mbOFnk46h1uORQB > > kOPLP4vggS8f6QZPAZdsTU+iKZ3FHOo9ewY2zPWj43H6vYUkejIqLzas0/IZhSkL > > 6xkpJKT4tg33JAmrYiPp8c/gDBUoESP6F7OrbEccsc4TYb6z/mKWO2CZa/6m5XLQ > > z+D1W++uypAHr3KCPCg0ejHkIHHb3ixv58vWE4Ov+g5wyrio9eKxQyVNhHmegzkg > > v8ttcbXsrATnoNUv2qHbIPspqpJctbgE9+d/0dcwRmHII2465GeoZNW62slJ9goO > > 55WNgG9kpKQpmPaYok3zTiHsd2cTHxIEbRgEKG5SK2lx9d8SHqOuCnFWKJkY7LZZ > > Vgk//qqzN3dbsGDB821uhjmXHeBnNy1awjwy0EufuzA28G0tiRHY/dNLI+BUtBep > > beHP/K8h5wBWRIrknvtFYxKQY+WK2BrXFdcjB+EYnGv/r/ySxRbJ/6yURIMD9JaG > > sUgy81bqMtw= > > =a4R+ > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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