On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:02:39 +0100, "Marco A. Calamari"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2005-02-23 at 21:44 -0800, Todd Walton wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:41:36 +0100, Marco A. Calamari
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > the fact that [FIND] is still the one of 24/12/2004 is due
> > >  I'm using the stable Freenet ?
> > 
> > No.  FIND is a DBR.  If you can load it, then it's been inserted
> > very recently.  23/12/2004 is the date of the proprietor's most
> > recent comment.  It's just that he hasn't found reason to comment
> > since then.
> 
> Many thanks for your answer, but the site say
> 
> "index generated 2004 12 22".
> 
> Of course it is inserted every day, but seems to me
>  unmantained since then.

That is correct.  Sonax, maintainer of FIND, has been having problems
with the spider used to generate the index, and hasn't had the time or
inclination to fix it.

He's still inserting the site daily, but the actual index data has not
been updated in a couple of months now.

I've offered to help him resolve whatever issues are involved, but he
says he just doesn't have the time or motivation to do it at this time. 
Perhaps at some (hopefully near) future date.

> > 
> > > SOmenone haave suggestion about the HTL to unse for insertion
> > >  in both stable and unstable Freenet ?
> > 
> > I use 25, and let the network reduce it as it sees fit.  MaxHTL
> > (what the network reduces HTL to) is something like 20 these days.
> 
> I had positive results inserting with htl=6 in stable.
> 
> > 
> > Someone else would likely have something better to say about that.
> 
> I really hope so.... ;)
> 
> Ciao.   Marco

I follow the advice given by FIW (the Freesite Insertion Wizard), i.e.,
for DBR sites, use a lower HTL (say, 15) than for an edition site or a
"one-shot" site (where you may want to use, say, 25).  This makes sense,
and seems to work well enough.

The reasoning behind this is that the more frequently a site's data is
updated, the less need for very deep insertions, as much of the data
will be unchanged from one insert to the next, therefore a certain
amount of redundancy is involved, resulting in an automatic
"reinforcement" of the data within the network.

Less frequently inserted data, on the other hand, basically only gets
one chance to "take", and will benefit from the deeper insertion (God,
this sounds dirty, doesn't it?), distributing the data as far as
possible into the network initially, helping it to later disseminate to
other nodes more easily.

Of course, there are other factors to consider as well.  Some of
the more popular edition/one-shot sites may be accessed much more
frequently than some DBR sites, thereby helping the data to propagate
throughout the network, whereas some less popular DBR sites may actually
benefit from deeper insertion.

It's not a perfect science; there are really no hard-and-fast rules. 
Just common sense and good judgement, basically, combined with how long
you're willing to wait for your inserts to complete.  :-)

HTH

-- 
Conrad J. Sabatier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- "In Unix veritas"
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