-----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- Message-type: plaintext In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:52:44PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote: >> Matthew Toseland a ?crit : >> >> >On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:36:53PM +0200, Julien Cornuwel wrote: >> > >> >As far as the above goes, please read the responses to the other post. >> >> I did. So you confirm my understanding ? 99% of current Freenet users >> won't be able to join the darknet and will have to use opennet. > >In the short term, perhaps. In the West you won't need to have known >somebody for 25 years in order to trust them enough to connect to their >node; I would be happy to connect to a number of people I have never >met, who I know online. There are a few parameters here: >1. Are they an acquaintance, beyond random computer selection? We must >not connect people randomly, because routing requires a small world >graph. >2. Do you trust them enough for them to know for sure that you run a >freenet node? It may be illegal in some places, in which case you will >need to pick more carefully. >3. Do you trust them not to launch attacks on you in order to break your >anonymity? How difficult such attacks are depends on the design >decisions we make in 0.7.0, and hopefully in future they will be more >difficult, but you will always be most vulnerable to your immediate >neighbours (just as you are most vulnerable to your real life friends in >real life). >> >> >>Suppose Freenet 0.7 becomes illegal in France (what it already is, >> >>because of the AES 256 encryption). > >My understanding is that the french crypto regulations were abandoned >some time ago. > >> >>The opennet won't be secure for us, >> >>but we won't be able to join the darknet. What could we do ? Keep on >> >>using 0.5 ? > >Make your own darknet. :) >Then come to Bristol, take me out for a pizza, and I'll connect to your >node ;). Seriously, there needs to be some sort of relationship for the >small world properties to hold, but beyond that it's not such a big >deal. >> > >> >The opennet will probably be more secure than 0.5. But both are very >> >easy to shut down, because they can be very easily harvested - all nodes >> >can be found easily, meaning they can be blocked, attacked, etc. >> >> That is why I'm searching a way for someone who is neither a member of >> alpha-testers/Freenet-devs, nor a very organised terrorist/paedophile to >> join the darknet. > >Surprisingly enough most paedophiles are disorganized. Just like most >other people are disorganized.
I wouldnt know, I am not aware of knowing any paedophiles. >> Do you think it would be possible for nodes in the darknet to see what >> happens in the opennet ? >> Maybe a special kind of nodes that acts as a gateway between the 2 >> networks : it wouldn't endanger the anonymity of thoses who are in the >> darknet but it would give them the ability to see the newcommers and >> eventually decide to invite them. > >*Any* node on the opennet is vulnerable to being found, blocked, seized >etc. However there is no reason that content cannot be migrated from one >to the other. So we can expect opennet > darknet gateways to exist? >> My opinion is that a resistance-network has to be closed tight when war >> is on. But it needs to create itself before that. So if some people >> could choose the become some "fuses" between open and dark, the darknet >> would remain safe and be able to "recruit". > >It is IMHO strategically vital that we can test the network as a pure >darknet. We will need an opennet as well, because we need to have >something for people to download from freenetproject.org. >> >> I'm affraid that if this fonctionnality isn't enabled in Freenet, people >> will do it by other ways (internet forums, mailing-lists, weak encrypted >> emails, etc.) which are way less secure than Freenet. Or worse, some >> will decide to publish their keys and allow anyone to connect to the >> darknet through them... > >In which case there will be weak segments of the darknet. That does not >undermine the whole structure. The mainstreamers can still use the >opennet. I expect there to be some cross-recruiting. But the intention >is for the darknet to be separate from the opennet. People who happen to >be on both can migrate content manually. They can also get to know >people on the opennet, and perhaps add them later. I first met Ian after >having worked for him for around a year; I have a friend in Australia who >I've never met but I would be perfectly happy to connect my node to. But >at this stage, I would happily connect to Newsbyte. Or CofE if I knew >him, but I obviously wouldn't want him to breach his carefully guarded >anonymity just for that. :) >> >> -- >> http://www.freenet-fr.org >-- >Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ >ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- _______________________________________________ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
