On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents <m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > Message-ID: > <D307C15C-56CD-4CC4-9822-3EAF1D0CAC8F at > cIw2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4 > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > - -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > =l+8j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so it probably won't get posted for a while yet. In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. Evan Daniel
