Hi Steven, On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 14:47:11 +0200 Steven Ferreira <steven.ferreir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Pidgin Project, > > I'm a big fan of the Pidgin project but also of the elementary project too. What is the "elementary" project? This returns nothing: https://www.google.com/search?q=elementary%20instant%20messaging > Pidgin needs some kind of refresh because it's slowly losing all their main > users. Citation needed. Right now it seems this mailing list is active with user questions and people appear to be actively using it. I have switched from Kopete to Pidgin a while ago, and I didn't look back - Pidgin is simply so much better. > It should be rewritten and learn of his mistakes and perhaps follow new > design guidelines. Rewritten? Why? What is so wrong with the old codebase that requires a write? And what are those new design guidelines that you speak about, and why are they superior? I happen to like Pidgin's user-interface, and many people like it too. For why complete rewrites are a bad idea, see: * http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html * http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000348.html > The importance of Pidgin will become smaller and smaller. We have a saying in Hebrew that after the destruction of the first temple, prophecy was taken away from prophets and given to fools. > On Windows nearly all users use Windows live Messenger, Skype and there > will be so many other im clients in the Windows 8 appstore, so there is no > need for Pidgin. Well, Mainland Chinese users are primarily using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ , and Pidgin fills the need for an open-source client. > On the linux platform we also have a lot of im clients like Skype, Emesene > and even Empathy (which is very GNOME integrated), ... Skype is proprietary and 32-bit only and is now owned by Microsoft (so its future on Linux is uncertain). Emesene and Empathy are open-source as well, and competition is welcome. Personally, I didn't like Empathy too much - Pidgin is equally as fast, and much more usable, stable, and feature-rich. > > As Pidgin uses GTK as a toolkit it should only concentrate on the Linux > platform. Why? Lots of people are using Pidgin on Windows and/or Mac OS X. > It should use GTK3 and even follow a completely new design > concept. I suppose one can port Pidgin to Gtk+ 3. It does not mean it should run only on Linux though, because Gtk+ 3 is available on Windows and Mac OS X. > I'm talking about the elementary design concept, it has no menu-bar and the > most apps are all simple to use. Please no. I appreciate that desktop applications have a menu bar (including Pidgin) and this is one of the reasons I hate Google Chrome/Chromium: http://shlomif-tech.livejournal.com/46078.html Regarding simplicity, see what I wrote: http://shlomif-tech.livejournal.com/64318.html > > At first Pidgin would start as a community project and later even as an > official elementary project if it respects all the elementary guidelines. Pidgin is already a community project. > > Why i'm telling this ? Actually many GNOME distributions don't use Pidgin. > Elementary is looking for volunteers to create a new im Client. > They already started a provisional im client project called > Graham<https://launchpad.net/graham> > . Well, GNOME have blessed Empathy as their official client (unfortunately if you ask me). > > Features of this im client would be : > > - Single window for the contacts and conversation > - Conversation Themes > - Super simple Interface > - No Menu-bar > - Using telepathy tubes > - ... Sounds really bad. > > There are some of elementary mockups floating around like this > one<http://bassultra.deviantart.com/art/A-chat-app-293571950?q=gallery%3Abassultra%2F38618756&qo=23> > . > > I think actually there aren't a lot of elementary developers with an "im > client developing experience" so please help elementary by contributing to > Graham. > Another possibility is to modify pidgin but for doing that it has to follow > the elementary standards like no menu-bar, the gui should be very simple to > use and it should be written as much as possible in Vala. > > Please help the elementary project on creating an amazing im client which > would be a serious competitor for Empathy. We have one already and it's called Pidgin. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ UNIX Fortune Cookies - http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . _______________________________________________ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support