already asked Dubnov - he says he's sure he's got it somewhere and he'll back to us he says (he's not near his office at the moment) ....
On 23 July 2012 18:43, Aaron Heller <[email protected]> wrote: > Shlomo Dubnov is at UCSD, you could ask him if he has a copy > http://musicweb.ucsd.edu/~sdubnov/ > > Dubnov's paper is online at > http://musicweb.ucsd.edu/~sdubnov/Papers/dubnov95hearing.pdf > > and the reference is to Gerzon's bispectral models, which are covered > in "General Metatheory..." (92nd AES Convention, Vienna, 1992, > Preprint 3306). > > Aaron Heller ([email protected]) > Menlo Park, CA US > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Sampo Syreeni <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2012-07-22, Robert Greene wrote: > > > >> I used to bring this stuff up as a reason why early CD did not sound > >> good--that there were possible nonlinearities that made the missing > content > >> above 21 kHz actually missed. > > > > > > So, you too could possibly help in finding the people who have a copy of > > this elusive article/manuscript? Sure you didn't misplace one yourself? I > > mean, the point is to find a copy, not so much to debate the (possible) > > ideas in it beforehand... ;) > > > > > >> Paul F's analysis is much more likely. > > > > > > Who, what, where? Me wants copy. > > > > > >> Nonlinearities there are, but I do not think that content above 21k > >> amounts to anything important and likely it is not even audible. Hard > to be > >> absolutely sure, however! > > > > > > Isn't that then precisely why we want to find a copy of the article for > > someone who's once again interested in learning about and perhaps even > > resolving this kinda stuff? > > > > For me, personally, the earliest dichotic listening studies, done with > > wideband (100-200kHz) analog clicks (so prolly minimum phase) were at one > > time quite a shocker. They showed much lower binaural discrimination > > thresholds than what even AAC and PS now use as the reference level, and > > they seemed to be repeatable. I don't remember the precise numbers or the > > precise reference, but I seem to remember they were an entire order of > > magnitude lower than even "wide band" acoustic, plucked guitar sounds. > > > > The relevance of that can be argued, but if it's there, and if Gerzon hit > > it, I'd *very* much like to see his argument too. For the usual reasons: > he > > used to be quite a lot ahead of his time and none too conventional in his > > analysis. > > > > Though now that I googled it a bit, I'm no longer sure whether Craven was > > actually the prime instigator of that idea. I'd take a working aes.organd > > access to it to be sure. Damn... > > > > -- > > Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - [email protected], http://decoy.iki.fi/front > > +358-50-5756111, 025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2 > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120723/b0b342e2/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
