--- In biofuel@egroups.com, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ouch...... > > just bought the plans and materials for a charles 803 ....... > there seems to be a significant body of evidence that this still can > produce useable fuel..... > thats why I have proceeded with this project..... > what is going on with JTForeever and Robert W..... > a falling out it seems.??? > > I am trying to find an alternative ( read cheaper) to the US made Temp > controlled valve suggested. > Does any one have any suggestions.... > > jessey (australia) > > At 11:10 AM 20/11/00 +0000, you wrote: > > >_____________________________________________________________________ ___ > >_____________________________________________________________________ ___ > > > >Message: 4 > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:35 +0900 > > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Charles 803 fuel ethanol still > > > >Prompted by various warning bells, Journey to Forever sought expert > >advice on the Charles 803 still design. The findings are that it does > >not match up to the claims Robert Warren makes for it. > > > >As a result we've removed all material pertaining to the still from > >the Journey to Forever website and from the Files section of the > >Biofuels list website at eGroups. > > > >In brief, the Charles 803 is NOT a fractionating still and will not > >produce pure ethanol. It will produce fuel-grade alcohols (plural), > >but the end result will contain not only ethanol but also methanol > >and a good proportion of the higher alcohols (fusel oils). Some of > >these alcohols are highly poisonous. The alcohol produced by this > >still is NOT drinkable, but it can be used in a car engine. > > > >There is no stress on safety in the operating instructions and there > >should be. The still is a closed system that is being fed a good deal > >of energy and contains highly inflammable substances in gaseous and > >hot liquid form. A blockage could cause a disaster. The original > >operating instructions included this warning: > > > >"It is very easy, if you do not follow the safety warnings, to make a > >still which will blow up in your face. Alcohol as a liquid is not > >dangerous (unless taken internally) but ALCOHOL IN A VAPOR WILL > >EXPLODE. It would be useless as a fuel if this were not true. This > >still is safer than most batch stills because the boiler can be set > >up at a distance from the still. Alcohol does not explode like > >gasoline. Gas vapors go off with a bang. Alcohol burns more slowly so > >that is goes off with more of a whoosh and is more likely to ignite > >something else." > > > >Take these safety precautions: > > > >- Do NOT operate this still indoors. > >- Do NOT use an open flame to heat the boiler (would you light a > >match next to a gasoline tanker?). > >- Always have a CO2 fire extinguisher to hand. > >- Never operate the still when you're alone - make sure help is > >available if it's needed. > > > >Be safe, be cautious, please don't risk hurting yourself, and > >remember - just ONE accident could set the biofuels movement back > >years. > > > >If you've built one of these stills, distill a batch of water through > >it first before trying it with alcohol. Check closely for any vapour > >leaks and make sure to seal them tightly. If it springs a leak during > >a run, stop the process immediately - kill the heat to the boiler and > >(carefully) open the pressure relief valve. We have one of these > >stills, which we bought used from Robert Warren. We found it contains > >a lot of dirt. We recommend stripping the still down regularly and > >giving it a thorough internal cleaning. > > > >We'd like to point out that Robert Warren has never been a member of > >Journey to Forever nor had any formal association with us. Though he > >may have given that impression, it was without any foundation or > >authority. The Journey to Forever website did say that $10 from the > >purchase of each set of plans for the Charles 803 still would go > >towards Journey to Forever, but Journey to Forever has never received > >any money from the sale of the still plans. We waived the offer > >before Robert Warren left the US for England, and it was an oversight > >that it was not removed from our website. > > > > > >Keith Addison > >Journey to Forever > >Handmade Projects > >Tokyo > >http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > >the valve is a bradshaw water regulating valve and can be purchased from johnstone supply in chattanooga tn, for $229.00. the part number is nsv47ab-4 as i read it from the invoice.phone number is 1 800 5250387. they deal with you on a credit card basis and you get parts in two days. hope this helps. > > > > > > > >
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