me chuckle.
Dick Carlstein wrote:
> i know not if this is good netiquette, but will try to answer all in
> one em,
> using plain text. cheers, dick.
>
> > From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
>
> > Plain text please so we can read you posts easier.
>
> this ok ?
>
> > How about giving us some info on the process used in making
> methanol
> from wood?
>
> both eth and meth can be made from wood. brazil has developed a
> modified
> scholler-madison process, that besides producing methanol, effectively
>
> transforms residual lignine into wood charcoal.
>
> eth from wood is made by acid hydrolisis.
>
> brazilians estimate that one metric tonne of methanol requires 2.4
> metric
> tonnes of eucalyptus wood. all of brazil's present fossil fuel energy
> input
> could be met by planting one (1) percent of brazil's land area with
> eucalyptus.
>
> food for thought, what ?
>
> for further info suggest you contact the Rio Claro experimental
> station in
> SP, bzl. fellow by the name of kozen igue used to run this program.
> will
> try to look up some cyber addresses and post them.
>
> > From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
>
> > Thanks for this. There has been news on Brazil's ethanol program on
> > the list before, but re-reading it does no harm at all! If you visit
>
> > the list website and search the archive for "Brazil" you'll find
> > quite a lot of info.
> > http://www.egroups.com/messages/biofuel
>
> with fossil oil's price escalating at its present rate (and i don't
> think
> we've seen the worst yet !), ethanol news in brazil are 'breaking
> news'. i
> personally think we're about to see significant growth in the
> brazilian
> sugar cane/ethanol industry, and this, for example, is not reflected
> in the
> brazil archive you mention.
>
> as soon as fossil oil went past the us$ 32.00 per barrel price level,
> sugar
> cane ethanol became an inside track contender. the world has a glut of
>
> sugar, and diminishing fossil oil reserves. yet nobody seems to be
> fully
> aware that all required homework has been done by the brazilians, who
> operate six millon vehicles on straight ethanol, including trucks,
> tractors,
> and buses.
>
> by comparison, e80/m80 efforts pale.
>
> if the us were to politically motivate the use of pure ethanol for
> school/urban buses, it could improve city air, reduce fossil oil
> imports,
> and eliminate sugar subsidies, all in one go. plus it would be that
> much
> closer to complying with the kyoto protocol v.a.v. co2 emmissions.
>
> but nobody lobbies for this. and it takes a lot of money to run a
> pol's
> campaign.
>
> which the api boys are happy to provide... (american petroleum
> institute)
>
> again, this is not reflected in the postings.
>
> > But this is a nice, clear outline, good to know.
>
> thanks keith, that feels good ! (:-D
>
> > More details on the
> > methanol program would definitely be interesting. By the way, is
> > there much small-scale ethanol production in Brazil - backyard or
> > on-farm operations like some of the list members are running (or
> > would like to)?
>
> the meth info is coverd in preceeding paragraphs.
>
> smalll scale eth production is widespread, but for 'shine purposes.
> it's
> called 'cachaza', and it can be very tasty, and very, very, potent !
>
> but there's no small scale eth production for fuel, because of the
> hydrophile nature of the beast, which requires molecular sieve
> technology,
> available to the large producer, but not to the backyard distillers.
> methinks that first world small scale eth distillers would not have
> this
> problem. a3 and a4 m. sieves are readily available to them, from what
> i
> understand.
>
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Re: serious ethanol players
> >
> > a show on Mtv, a cartoon, two idiot friends would sit around
> watching
> > music videos, or putting cockroaches in the burgers at their place
> of
> > work. their primary interests were the aforementioned music videos,
> and
> > sex, not that they ever stopped laughing enough to engage in sexual
> > activity. as to my post, i was laughing like beavis at the guys
> name,
> > those two beavis and butt-head would laugh at anything that could
> > possibly be twisted in meaning to be a sexual reference.
> > the second part, i was doing the last words of a simulated lounge
> > performance first act.
>
> > Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> > > >huh huh huh, he said dick, huh huh.
> > > >thanks all, i'll be doing a few more beavis impressions later
> > > tonight,
> > > >don't drink the water, the meatloaf is where they get it here at
> the
> > > >sierra poot lounge.
> > >
> > > Um... sorry, skaar, what's that mean?
>
> you skaar me mate !!! have you checked the meth content of your 'shine
>
> lately ? (:-D
>
> > From: "Sam Dabbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
>
> > In biofuel@egroups.com, "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote something false as hell like:
>
> > > and by the way, making ethanol from corn is half as efficient as
> > > making it from sugarcane.
>
> > *****OK, Fraid not. Here's the poop.
>
> > Probable yeild from a ton of raw material based on the average
> > fermentable sugar content(1):
> >
> > Material Gallons/Ton
> >
> > Wheat---all varieties 85.0
> > Grain Sorghum 79.5
> > Sugar Cane 15.2
>
> > So, you see, your not EVEN close with the "Cane" my friend. This is
> > why I use nothing but Wheat bran to make moonshine (ethanol)
> > HINT: MORE YEILD!!!*****
>
> the word is 'efficient', like in energy in/energy out, per gallon, per
> acre.
>
> sugar cane yields well over 350 gallons of ethanol per acre, versus
> 250 for
> corn. and production costs for sugar cane are roughly half those of
> corn/wheat/sorghum.
>
> plus no erosion.
>
> problem is, methinks, you're buying your feedstock, not growing it.
>
> > > enjoy !, dick.
>
> > ****Sorry, I'm not a faggot.****
> > MooNShiNeR
>
> was not aware that enjoyment was only possible if you're (quote) 'a
> faggot'.
>
> i myself enjoy life tremendously, yet was ignorant of the fact that
> that
> makes me (quote) 'a faggot'
>
> thanks for the enlightment !!
>
> (being your own best client can have it's drawbacks, MooNShiNerR,
> specially
> if you brew the stuff from wheat bran...)
>
> cheers (does that make me a pimp, perhaps ?), Ricardo G. Carlstein,
> aka
> 'dick' for the enjoyment of all the underground beavis and buttheads
> out
> there !!
>
>
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me chuckle.
Dick Carlstein wrote:
i know not if this is good netiquette, but will
try to answer all in one em,
using plain text. cheers, dick.
> From: jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
> Plain text please so we can read you posts easier.
this ok ?
> How about giving us some info on the process
used in making methanol
from wood?
both eth and meth can be made from wood. brazil has developed a
modified
scholler-madison process, that besides producing methanol, effectively
transforms residual lignine into wood charcoal.
eth from wood is made by acid hydrolisis.
brazilians estimate that one metric tonne of methanol requires 2.4
metric
tonnes of eucalyptus wood. all of brazil's present fossil fuel
energy input
could be met by planting one (1) percent of brazil's land area
with
eucalyptus.
food for thought, what ?
for further info suggest you contact the Rio Claro experimental
station in
SP, bzl. fellow by the name of kozen igue used to run this program.
will
try to look up some cyber addresses and post them.
> From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
> Thanks for this. There has been news on Brazil's ethanol program
on
> the list before, but re-reading it does no harm at all! If you
visit
> the list website and search the archive for "Brazil" you'll find
> quite a lot of info.
> http://www.egroups.com/messages/biofuel
with fossil oil's price escalating at its present rate (and i don't
think
we've seen the worst yet !), ethanol news in brazil are 'breaking
news'. i
personally think we're about to see significant growth in the brazilian
sugar cane/ethanol industry, and this, for example, is not
reflected in the
brazil archive you mention.
as soon as fossil oil went past the us$ 32.00 per barrel price level,
sugar
cane ethanol became an inside track contender. the world has a
glut of
sugar, and diminishing fossil oil reserves. yet nobody seems to
be fully
aware that all required homework has been done by the brazilians,
who
operate six millon vehicles on straight ethanol, including trucks,
tractors,
and buses.
by comparison, e80/m80 efforts pale.
if the us were to politically motivate the use of pure ethanol for
school/urban buses, it could improve city air, reduce fossil oil
imports,
and eliminate sugar subsidies, all in one go. plus it would be
that much
closer to complying with the kyoto protocol v.a.v. co2 emmissions.
but nobody lobbies for this. and it takes a lot of money to run
a pol's
campaign.
which the api boys are happy to provide... (american petroleum institute)
again, this is not reflected in the postings.
> But this is a nice, clear outline, good to know.
thanks keith, that feels good ! (:-D
> More details on the
> methanol program would definitely be interesting. By the way,
is
> there much small-scale ethanol production in Brazil - backyard
or
> on-farm operations like some of the list members are running
(or
> would like to)?
the meth info is coverd in preceeding paragraphs.
smalll scale eth production is widespread, but for 'shine purposes.
it's
called 'cachaza', and it can be very tasty, and very, very, potent
!
but there's no small scale eth production for fuel, because of the
hydrophile nature of the beast, which requires molecular sieve
technology,
available to the large producer, but not to the backyard distillers.
methinks that first world small scale eth distillers would not
have this
problem. a3 and a4 m. sieves are readily available to them, from
what i
understand.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re: serious ethanol players
>
> a show on Mtv, a cartoon, two idiot friends would sit around
watching
> music videos, or putting cockroaches in the burgers at their
place of
> work. their primary interests were the aforementioned music
videos, and
> sex, not that they ever stopped laughing enough to engage in
sexual
> activity. as to my post, i was laughing like beavis at
the guys name,
> those two beavis and butt-head would laugh at anything that could
> possibly be twisted in meaning to be a sexual reference.
> the second part, i was doing the last words of a simulated lounge
> performance first act.
> Keith Addison wrote:
>
> > >huh huh huh, he said dick, huh huh.
> > >thanks all, i'll be doing a few more beavis impressions later
> > tonight,
> > >don't drink the water, the meatloaf is where they get it here
at the
> > >sierra poot lounge.
> >
> > Um... sorry, skaar, what's that mean?
you skaar me mate !!! have you checked the meth content of your
'shine
lately ? (:-D
> From: "Sam Dabbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: serious ethanol players
> In biofuel@egroups.com, "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote something false as hell like:
> > and by the way, making ethanol from corn is half as efficient
as
> > making it from sugarcane.
> *****OK, Fraid not. Here's the poop.
> Probable yeild from a ton of raw material based on the average
> fermentable sugar content(1):
>
> Material
Gallons/Ton
>
> Wheat---all varieties
85.0
> Grain Sorghum
79.5
> Sugar Cane
15.2
> So, you see, your not EVEN close with the "Cane" my friend. This
is
> why I use nothing but Wheat bran to make moonshine (ethanol)
> HINT: MORE YEILD!!!*****
the word is 'efficient', like in energy in/energy out, per gallon,
per acre.
sugar cane yields well over 350 gallons of ethanol per acre, versus
250 for
corn. and production costs for sugar cane are roughly half those
of
corn/wheat/sorghum.
plus no erosion.
problem is, methinks, you're buying your feedstock, not growing
it.
> > enjoy !, dick.
> ****Sorry, I'm not a faggot.****
> MooNShiNeR
was not aware that enjoyment was only possible if you're (quote)
'a faggot'.
i myself enjoy life tremendously, yet was ignorant of the fact that
that
makes me (quote) 'a faggot'
thanks for the enlightment !!
(being your own best client can have it's drawbacks, MooNShiNerR,
specially
if you brew the stuff from wheat bran...)
cheers (does that make me a pimp, perhaps ?), Ricardo G. Carlstein,
aka
'dick' for the enjoyment of all the underground beavis and buttheads
out
there !!
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