Rod, One must doff one's cap to some of the visionaries of this list.
I perceive numerous candidates for a well structured cabinet of "secretaries" for Agriculture, Natural Resources, Department of Energy, State and even Education. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Kopping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with guavas and cumquats > As to biodiesel only benifiting farmers, nothing could be or is further from > the truth. Ask any farm equipment dealer, building contractor, or maker of > almost any consumable product on earth. No one, except maybe a sailor off > of a years cruise, returns more of what he makes to the store than a farmer. > So when you think of all those petro dollars kept here in america, think of > all the american goods that will be consumed, the builders who will build > long needed facilities, and the farmers themselves, who would no longer > depend on government subsidies, which by the way are your tax dollars in the > first place. Think before you speak, not after, this attitude that farmer > must produce below cost, will cost far far more than you can imagine. > Thanks for your time, rod kopping > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Seattle experiments with guavas and cumquats > > > > Troy, > > > > In response to your thoughts.... > > > > ...With the new 5ppm sulfur diesel regulation coming, it appears that the > > only > > ...advantage of bio-diesel over dino-diesel is that it supports American > > ...farmers. True? Troy > > ..................................................... > > As to the benefits of biofuel over fossil, you might need to begin > thinking > > outside parameters of "contemporary" construct. > > > > In other words, please try to remove the blinders we have all been > > programmed to wear. > > > > No one is saying that a little "mining" is a bad thing. The occasional > gold > > ring, for adornment, copper pipes, opposed to lead, even a little steel > for > > motors and pumps to help preserve the backs of all those who would have to > > haul water from the creek. > > > > But in the process of making our lives a little less toilsome, we as > humans > > have become so gleeful with each new (often only perceived) benefit that > we > > pursue our expansions to the point of hoping to never having to lift a > > finger or burn another calorie again. > > > > Not only that, but we have been caught up in the economic belief that no > > growth is a bad thing. Therefore, in pursuit of this lie, we build all our > > infrastructures with the expectancy and demand for growth - whether it is > > needed or not. Worse still, we as an "industrial" society (no longer just > a > > "society"), in order to achieve this nirvanic state of perpetual growth, > > wish to forcefully cram all these "benefits" down the throats of every > other > > people on the planet, in various forms of cheap plastic crap and just > plain > > crap. > > > > Couple this mindlessness with the human insecurity of never having > enough - > > our never ending quest for "better, bigger, faster, shinier, higher, > > wealthier," Faustian ad infinitum - and we end up on a hell bent path of > > excessive consumption and waste, which eventually, if not sooner, result > in > > ever increasing encroachments on the very ecosystems which all life > depends. > > > > Face it. We are taught and programmed to want what we don't need and to > need > > what we never wanted. > > > > Our landfills overflow. Our rivers are a manufacturer's stew. Our air is > > maybe cleaner than 25 years ago, but getting dirtier every day. Our > drinking > > water supplies are more and more contaminated. Our children contract and > die > > of diseases and cancers as never before. IE: Women's breast cancer is soon > > to roll over to 1 in 8 from the not so long ago ratio of 1 in 10, and > > eventually to 1 in what? None of this is simply because we have better > > record keeping today than 40 years ago. > > > > All the while industries and government disavow responsibilities, > pandering > > to lack of "irrefutable evidence" or the need for more studies and tests. > > They are practitioners of "acceptable risk" (it's not who will get ill or > > die, but how many and when) and bow to anything that puts another farthing > > in their coffers. > > > > So you see Troy, any time that something rolls around that helps people > > break out of the concrete walls that are poured around them daily, its a > > good thing. > > > > And when that something happens to help or has the enormous potential to > > reverse not only trends in pollution, foreign policy, fiscal policy and > > buttress an already fragile and failing farming industry, it's a good > thing. > > > > Something is horribly wrong when we place ourselves in a position where > war > > becomes an energy policy and where preserving glutonous consumption is of > > greater national interest than is conservation, sustainability and > > preserving the interests of our children's children and their generations > > who haven't even been born yet. > > > > These are the concepts and principals on which strong people and strong > > societies are grounded. Not a 99 cent quarter pounder with cheese in under > > 60 seconds. > > > > And since you asked earlier, biofuels across the board do result in a net > > energy gain. As for the right of expectancy that the ratios should be > > equivalent to a well tooled petro-chemical industry, guavas and cumquats > > aren't the same either. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > Appal Energy > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! 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