John, I am not sure you are right. To get good filtration you need to drop the velocity so proper separation occurs. This is the purpose of the orifice so only a certain volume of oil can enter and pass at any given time period. This is why by-pass filters work and Factory Full Flow Filters dont. Full Flows are only a protective screening device designed to filter out the large particles (generally over 30 micron) and chunks. [Planned obsolescence planned on a big scale].While the filter might say on it 10 micron this is a nominal rating only and is any figure the manufacturer wants to pull out of the air. Generally grossly overstated. Absolute rating is the only one that counts. Difference is while a nominally rated filter will pull the odd particle out down to that size most of them only really start at much higher levels no matter what the manufacturer claims (generally round the 25 to 30 micron level). An absolute rating means the filter removes particles down to that rating and theoretically all above. Even then that rating still has to be taken with a grain of salt. Results are often not repeatable. Under this system they can test a piece of filter cloth rather than a complete filter.The oil industry, the auto industy, engine manufacturers, and filter manufacturers have got away with this for a hundred years (the old story "Keep them in the dark and baffle them with bullshit)". Only now with the introduction of beta ratio testing are they slowly being forced to do tests that are reliable and repeatable. Even then expect this to take at least 10 years before these are phased in fully. If you want to filter finished biodiesel then a fuel filter is acceptable but if you want to filter wvo then you will need an oil filter. Suggest a s s screen irrigation filter before this such as an Amiad.Oil filters can be converted to fuel filters by drilling the orifice out and opening it up but not the other way round. Note that by-pass filters generally use depth filtration as opposed to surface filtration and which is universally recognized as being vastly superior. (something like 130 times the surface depth ie.4" or 100mm + compared to 1/32" or 0.8mm). Trouble with T.P is that it can be impacted by too much pressure. Good by-pass filters contain the roll in a can which holds the roll in place, is easy to remove and extract the roll. Idea is to keep the pressure down which can easily be achieved by the use of a needle valve. Idea is to set it and then not let anyone tamper with it. Flowrate will drop a little as its get towards the end of its operational life so set it initially and then dont touch or tamper with it. Was suprised the other day when I was talking to the technical manager for Cummins when he asked me why I want to utilize and push an old technology. Point is the concept has not been surpassed and/or superceded. May have been now equalled but at what cost. Do you want to use a spin on filter at $50 plus minimum when you can use a filter that cost less than 1/25th the price. Trouble is nobody is making any money out of this except the paper company so Joe Public gets shafted again. While I would not knock Cummins as they make great motors I would point out they own Fleetguard Filters so expect lots of hype about their new marvellous filters that they have just developed over the next few years (.........hell I think I have heard this all before.) ............ By the way 60 % of the wear and tear in a motor is caused by particles between 5 and 15 micron in size with 75 to 80 % caused by particles between 1 and 20 micron. Does it suprise me that at least 95% or more of all Full Flow Filters only remove particles above 20-25 micron and the public knows diddly quat about by-pass filters. Now dont blame your mechanic, your used car salesman, or whoever either. HELL MAN he's got to eat as well. Just as an afterthought: Studies by Cummins Technical Centre (part of Cummins Engine Coy the largest truck engine manufacturer in the world showed that wear can be reduced by up to 91% as a result of using a by-pass filter in combination with the full flow filter. The same studies also showed that the older an engine gets the more carbon must be removed and that this is when the engine needs the added protection the most. (quote: Cummins: quote: David). How come the world dosnt know this? HELL MAN is it my fault that I believe in capitalism first and democracy second? By the way a single filter does not want to pass more than 2 litres or 1/2 gal per minute if it is going to do its job properly. If you are wanting to pass more than that use 2 singles, a double or a treble. Also note that a double dosnt pass twice as much and a treble three times as much due to that orifice restriction. B.r., David
-----Original Message----- From: John Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Frantz..Orifice >If you get a Full flow franz (ex diesel truck fuel filter) this will have a >large orifice (up to 1/4) >and will run at low pressure and good flow rate. >If you've got one from an oil bypass filter it will have a tiny orifice and >will take a fair pressure to get a good flow rate - this wont change the >pressure across the filter - just in the pipe. the answer if you are going >to use it only for your bio factory is to get into it with a drill and take >the restriction out to as large as possible. >While you are having a look at it, look also for a bypass valve past the TP >element, some of these are around and will start bypassing before the filter >is really blocked >(I think a couple of engine manufactures threatened to void warranties if >the bypass was completely blocked so franz complied) >for our use this bypass should be blocked off so we don't get any bypassing. >In mine it just meant pulling the spring out and tapping a stud in against >the valve - quite painless. >Regards >John > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/