Mr Addison:
> > > >Study all the US Supreme Court decisions on 'federal  jurisdiction'.
> > > >This is all a knowledge and sheeple problem.  Study www.m2ktalk.com
> > > >- Archives - Intel Report - 08/07/01 hour 1 (audio).  The people are
> > > >taking back the township with knowledge of existing law and the
> > > >courage to act.  The 'officials' all backed down.
> > >
> > > Sorry, what is this all about? I couldn't access that link. Did find
> > > something about a Mark Koernke, though, "True American Patriot".
> > > There would seem to be some who might disagree with that assessment.
> > > Whatever, I'd like to know what incident you're referring to.
> > >
> >The Archives, Intel Report,08/07/01 hour 1 path of choices was not a 
> >mistake.  It needs RealPlayer.  I don't know about Koernke - and I'm 
> >missing any connection to the subject.
> 
> That path takes you to this link:
> http://www.m2ktalk.com/intelrpt.htm
> National Intel
> 
> - where you'll find this:
> 
> Mark Koernke & Don Betcher 
> Visit the Intelligence Report Web Site
> Don't Forget Mark, He never forgot You or I, when we needed his help!
> SEND DONATIONS TO: ...
> Mark Koernke Picture of a True American Patriot!
> 
> Plus a photo of Mr Koernke. I don't see how you could have failed to 
> notice it, it's the main feature of the page.
>
Did I say I did not see it and have to page past it to the list of archived 
items?  I don't think so.
 
> >The story is an instructive example of grassroots political 
> >partiicipation which made a difference.
> 
> Do you have a name of the place and a date of the incident?
>
No, do I need them?  I think the language 'last night' was used if my memory 
hasn't faded completely.  I did email a request to Mr Liazzo, though - just for 
you.
 
> > > >Obfuscation and subterfuge and diversions have blinded the people
> > > >(owners).  When the local government is taken back, the fedzis wiil
> > > >understand.  When the fedzis understand, the UN
> > > >facists/socialists/communists will back off (without money).
> > > >
> > > >Don't quit buying 1000 rounds at a time, yet.  But, their current
> > > >tactic of using energy, food, and synthesized viruses masked in
> > > >mycoplasms can be turned back with knowledge, burger joint fuel,
> > > >decentralized electric w/ Tesla/Bearden/Gray/Bedini projects, clean
> > > >local food, and  oxygenation of our cells.
> > >
> > > If you believe this, does that also mean you believe global warming
> > > to be a plot, and that AIDS is not caused by HIV? Just curious, I'm
> > > trying hard to get a handle on all this. I'd just like to know.
> > >
> >If I believe what, sir?  On the two additional subjects, I would 
> >point to: www.co2science.org, www.boydgraves.com, www.immed.org, 
> >www.mindgallery.com/hiddenroom/blackopsradio.html, and 
> >www.tetrahedron.org.  Just curious, should I resort to ad hominem 
> >argument?
> 
> Why would you do that? I wasn't attacking you, but if you choose to 
> feel attacked I guess that's up to you. As I said, I'm trying to get 

I think, if you look, that the 'attacked' you refer to is only half of the ad 
hominem argument tactic or method.
 
> a handle on all this, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. No doubt 
> it's all very obvious to you, but not to others. A majority of list 
> members (including me) are not Americans like you, many aren't even 
> Westerners like you, and I'm sure they have no idea what you're 
> talking about, and neither do I.
>
I suppose I do not understand them either at times.
 
> Your advice is to buy large amounts of ammunition, 

I did not advise anyone to do anything they may or may not already be doing.


>you warn of sinister forces at work, of some kind of germ warfare apparently 
> being waged against citizens, countering which is somehow associated 
> with civil resistance and do-it-yourself biodiesel. 

The Boyd Graves site and research and conclusions are not mine.  But, I am 
convinced he did not just fabricate it all for fun or some other deceptiive 
reason.  If you can study that site top to bottom and not come away feeling 
something like your paraphrase of my comment, I will be surprised.  Yes, I do 
believe there are factions and activities of the US government that cannot be 
put in category of good - no matter one's race, religion, creed, nationality, 
etc..  Whether or not individuals can effectively counter it with things they 
control remains to be seen. 

>What chance is  there, do you think, that the Indian living in Japan who just 
>joined 
> the list, and the East European who joined just before him won't be 
> utterly baffled by your remarks?
> 
> Or don't such people matter? Well they do matter.
> 
> Also there are schoolkids here, from many countries, trying to learn 
> - indeed, trying to learn about US attitudes to biofuels, in some 
> cases. I know that because often they come to me first with their 
> questions and I send them here. They're quiet, but they're here. US 
> attitudes to biofuels and much besides tend to create ripples that go 
> far beyond its shores. Not just ripples - tidal waves sometimes. That 
> so many Americans are oblivious to that rather helps to create the 
> international resentment that always seems to surprise so many of you.
> 
> I've encountered some of your apparent views before, without 
> understanding much about them though. Whenever I've dared to ask I've 
> met with just such bristling defensiveness. Several times they've 
> been associated with the two additional factors I mentioned. That's 
> why I asked.
> 
> It seems biofuels, along with energy in general, have become 
> intensely political subjects in the US these days. Of course they are 
> political subjects, but very often the political implications and 
> overtones seem to obscure the subject itself. Express a particular 
> view on ethanol, for instance, and you're quite likely to be dubbed a 
> far-rightwinger, an anti-environmentalist, a pinko socialist, or a 
> bed-wetting liberal or something, but what you don't get is a reply. 
> No communication ensues. The same can happen with an issue such as 
> global warming. It's happened before on this list. This can seem a 
> bit odd to, say, a South African-born British subject of 
> French-Dutch-Scottish descent who's lived in dozens of countries, now 
> lives in Tokyo and has spent a total of three days in the US. That 
> is, me. And to many others here.
> 
> Okay?
>
Okay, fine. 
 
> But if you don't feel like explaining further, don't.
> 
> I really hope I'm not going to be accused of Ameribashing now, that 
> would be very boring.
>
Cute.
 
> 
> > > >Damn, I've fallen over into the political pontification mo.  Sorry
> > >
> > > It happens.
> > >
There, I now consider myself to be graduated, by fire, from lurker-L status.

In my opinion, L Miller
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