this probably has been mentioned, but standard jet engines run on kerosene,
so biodiesel should work fine....

Steve Spence
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan S. Petrillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "biofuel" <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Diesel aircraft engines


> "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Many German aircraft of 1930-1945 were powered by the Junkers "JuMo"
> > opposed piston two-stroke diesels in various sizes, with and without
> > turbo-supercharging, including the Ju88 high altitude, high speed
> > bomber. These were liquid cooled.
>
> That's the design which Diesel Air based their design on.
>
> > Oddly enough, though the Deutz
> > aircooled diesels have done well on the ground, the only aircooled
> > aircraft diesels I know of are the Packard and Guiberson engines, both
> > technically successful but neither successful in the market.
>
> I talked to a gentleman in Fort Walton Beach, Florida some time ago who
> had a prototype for a German diesel radial engine, which was designed in
> Germany early in WWII, and given to Deutz for development.  It had
> several innovative features, like a "knock off" hub for the propeller.
> I lost contact with him, though, and he seems to have dropped out of
> sight.
>
> Lycoming also had a diesel design in the late '40's and early '50's, but
> it was underpowered and not a commercial success.
>
> > The Packard
> > was used in setting an endurance record in the "Question Mark," though.
>
> Interesting.  I'll have to look that up.
>
> > The first Pratt and Whitney turboprop powerplant was also an opposed
> > piston diesel in a sense - the PT-1 used a free-piston gas generator
> > operating on the Diesel cycle to provide hot gas to the propulsion
> > turbine.
>
> I remember reading something about that.  I've never properly understood
> the free-piston design concept.
>
> > Recently, Renault was supposed to be working on an aeronautical diesel
> > plant, but I have no further info.
>
> That has since been spun off into SMA.
>
> > Zoche in Germany seems to have failed
> > to achieve certification.
>
> Alas.  And they probably never will.  Unfortunately.  Their engine
> design is my favorite, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see it come to
> market.  It _could_ have been on the market at least 5 years ago, but
> like I said in previous email, Georg's Money Machine.
>
> > A friend of mine did a preliminary design study on a long-endurance
> > personal aircraft using two converted VW Rabbit (Golf) diesels - the
> > numbers looked very nice. Then we both got involved in other things. I
> > still have the notes on file.
>
> I'd bet the folks on rec.aviation.homebuilt would be interested in them.
>  With VW's new TDI engines you could probably make a really nice little
> long endurance homebuilt.
>
> > Basically, though, diesels make good sense
> > for low speed, long endurance aircraft.
>
> Indeed.  Low and slow will always be the realm of pistons and
> propellers, barring some kind of major revolution in technology.
>
>
> Alan
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