Steve be careful remember time is a factor in the equation, but I tend to agree it will take multiple forms of alternate energy to do it. Fred
========Original Message======== Subj: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question Date: 9/19/2001 12:20:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: we don't have enough low cost energy to free the hydrogen from the water..... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ten million windmills is enough low cost energy to produce the volume of hydrogen from water needed for replacing fossil fuels in the U.S. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question perhaps we should tell them it`s in water, and we will never run out of that. greg m ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:14 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question No one on this list, that I know of, has suggested supplies of hydrogen are locked to the supply of fossil fuels, but a surprising number of people are under that impression. Hydrogen from electrolysis is expensive now, but don't be so sure it will remain so. The Phoenix Project is just one example of how electrolysis-produced hydrogen could be made much cheaper. Worldwide several hundred billion dollars has been invested to develop cheap hydrogen, from electrolysis, within 10 years. Ask nanotech/biotech researchers about near term prospects for cheap hydrogen from non-fossil fuel sources. For excellent reasons, unprecedented advances, are anticipated within ten years. Bob --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not sure where you heard that hydrogen would run out when fossil fuels do. Cheap hydrogen will run out when fossil fuels get expensive, as hydrogen from electrolysis is extremely expensive, comparatively speaking, due to energy conversion losses. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 8:32 PM > > > > Subject: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > At best biofuels are an interim energy source. The claim hydrogen > will > > run > > > > out when fossil fuels expire is pure nonsense. Here is just one > example > > of > > > > how hydrogen can replace oil. http://www.phoenixproject.net/ > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am aware that hydrogen combines with oxygen > > > > > > to make water and give off some electricity but > > > > > > where does all this hydrogen come from that we > > > > > > plan to use? I know there is alot out there but > > > > > > it is mostly bound up in water or some other > > > > > > chemical isn't it? It takes energy to free this > > > > > > hydrogen. How much energy does it take and where > > > > > > is this energy going to come from? Will fuel > > > > > > cells really save any greenhouse gases or will a > > > > > > bunch of coal need to be burned to free up the > > > > > > hydrogen? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > > > > > > Donate cash, emergency relief information > > > > > > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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