people beleave what they are told to beleave.they are told that oil works and syn. fules do not. all this was done in the 70`s. the oil co.`s buy the syn fuel co.`s. and you never hear of the again. greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hanns B. Wetzel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Fischer-Tropsch Chemistry
> You still have not answered Mr.Mark Radosevich's question. If production > cost of syn. fuels is so low (around $1.75-$1.80 per bbl), why are people > still pumping oil from the ground and selling it for $27 per barrel? > > Hanns Wetzel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doc Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2001 11:58 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fischer-Tropsch Chemistry > > > Dear Mr.Mark Radosevich, > Sny fuel and its economic production / and related technologies have been > part of my professional existence for since 1972. I hold a M.Sc. P.Eng, and > worked very closely with Elf, Aquitaine, and the Shell group in the design > and development of "1st Generation" Gas To Liquids". The corner stone of > this movement from coal liquefaction to the actual conversion of natural > gas to sny fuels is based upon the same principal that your cars catalytic > converter works, i.e. the conversion of hot gases to liquids using a > catalysis. The first generation and the huge expense involved in the > establishing of the shell plant in Sarawak Malaysia, was directly > apportional to both the catalytic material and the pre-catalytic phase. > (see references attached). In the mid 1980's I began consulting and working > directly for and with several think tank groups working on what is now > called "2nd Generation" Gas to Liquids, these were Bechtel Corporation and > Syncrude Technology Inc.( the company that I currently consult for now and > then) and a paper was presented to the Coal Liquefaction & Solid Fuels > Contractors conference in Pittsburg in Sept 1997, which was the > design/economics of a once -through natural gas Fischer-Tropsch Plant with > power co-generation. (details can be obtained from the DOE.) > Since that paper Syncrude has patented several design features plus the > catalytic material used in the reactor beds. With this in hand Syncrude > went on to seek what is called "stranded gas" - which means natural gas > that has no economic market using the existing technologies of natural gas > liquification etc for liquid gas markets, or the natural gas for power > generation ( which in itself is like driving your Rolls Royce to the > 7-Eleven, for coffee to go). > The road has not been without its boulder or two, and that could be a book. > Currently there are five companies with "2nd Generation" Gas to Liquids > process, > 1) Shell Oil - facility costs USD $ 745 million > 2) Exxon Corporation - facility costs USD$670 Million > 3) SASOL- facility costs USD $300-$350 Million > 4) Syntroleum- facility costs USD $280 Million > 5) Syncrude Inc. -facility costs USD $251 million > > Therefore using the basic costings for a GTL system, with a through put of > 1mmcf of natural gas a day at a pricing of + USD $0.25-$0.35 per mcf, with > production at 10,000 bbls a day of a syn fuel slate, plus the high cetaine > achievable with GTL (as high as 76 cetaine) and Countries and States > willing to pay a premium for very low sulphur and no aromatic fuel ( > California currently USD $8/BBL), plus co-generation of power sold at the > local rates, plus the equivalent on potable water produced i.e. 10,000 bbls > per day, the overall economics at the very highest end are very low in > comparison. > > Also with the syn, and bio fuel technology receiving more and more > attention from both governments and investors, I believe that the future is > and will be only syn and bio fuels. With the advent of the new patented > process for Bio Diesel, I believe that the overall industry of bio fuel > liquids is only in its infancy. > > Okay I have waffled enough, here are some references for GTL and the > related technology. > > 1) Topical report VI, vols I&II, natural gas Fischer-Tropsch Case- Baseline > design/Economics for advanced Fischer-Tropsch Technology, Contract # > DE-AC22-91PC90027, August 1996 > > All the best > Doc Simpson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! 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