I'm also an engineer. Good to see an Arlo Guthrie fan out there.... His claims would make a bit of sense with a carbureted gasoline engine, but not a diesel. there is no "swirled air stream".
Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan S. Petrillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "biofuel" <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Hiclone > "Ugly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You are the scientist , I am very impressed . > > Now hold the phone, guys, let's not get nasty here. > > > I tried the device , I am getting better economy using it. > > As I said before , I am no scientist , I am not sure of the exact workings of it , > > only that it does work , results prove it. > > Provable, repeatable results are the essence of science. > > > Fit the device , economy improve , remove device , economy decrease . > > Provably and repeatably with consistent differences between the two? > Shows in the logs? > > > Why? I dont > > know , ask a scientist, one who is willing to actualy test it and give explanation > > of why it does or does not do this weird thing. > > I am not a scientist either, but I am familiar with turbulence in > airstreams. Being a pilot, turbulence in airstreams is something of a > fascination for me. > > I don't really know what's going on with the Hiclone either, but I have > a feeling it has something to do with stirring turbulence into the > airstream of the intake air. It isn't an idea that should be poo-pooed > out of hand, but should be given a good hard look. > > Seemingly insignificant bits of metal sticking up into an airstream can > have profound effects on the behavior of that airstream. > > Vortex generators, for example. These little, insignificant looking > bits of sheet metal, less than an inch tall, when attached to an airfoil > surface can completely change the behavior of that airfoil. They do > this by stirring turbulence into the boundary layer, which has the > effect of keeping airflow attached to the surface of the airfoil longer. > In fact, there are some airplanes that cannot safely fly without vortex > generators on various bits of their structure. > > Perhaps the Hiclone might act as a vortex generator in the intake > airstream and by doing so reduce the frictional losses from air flowing > through the induction system. Perhaps the increased turbulence in the > intake air stream increases the turbulence inside the cylinder, and > really does have as dramatic an effect as Hiclone claims. Other > turbulence devices inside cylinders have proven to have dramatic effects > in the past. > > Any Chaos theorists out there listening? > > In any event, devices such as the Hiclone shouldn't be dismissed out of > hand, but should be seriously examined to see if they work, and if so > how, and why. > > One thing I can tell you is that before I part with $160+ of my dollars > I want to see independent confirmation of the results, complete with > charts, graphs, figures, and 8x10 color glossy pictures with circles and > arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what it is. > > > I realize that hands on expirence is of course inadaquate when compared with a > > persons qualifications. > > Practical expirence can never equal these essentials of technoligy and development. > > Hmm... It looks like the old argument between scientists and engineers. > > Scientist: "There's no way that should work." > > Engineer: "It's working, isn't it." > > > Alan > -- > Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than > a career. Aviation is a way of life. > A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org > Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Pogo Stick - Just $24.95! Great gift idea for kids of all ages, from Youcansave.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/t5NeUC/QkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
