----- Original Message ----- From: "Neoteric Biofuels Inc." <> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 14:23 Subject: [biofuel] mehtanol ethanol, etc. was...direct, indirect injection
> BTW, methanol is more than "a little more" toxic than methanol when ingested > by humans!! Comparative mammalian toxicity. Toxicity is represented by the number of oral doses leathal to a typical 1 kg mammal per 100g (aprox 3.5 oz) of named substance. Ethanol 7; Methanol 9; Gasoline 10; Salt 15; Benzene 55; Aflatoxin 1,000; Dioxin 250,000 > Methanol if ingested will kill you or at least blind you Ethanol is toxic when it is ingested as well. Why do you think that people react it it the way they do? It is not the methanol its self that is toxic, it is the by products from the liver breaking it down that is toxic. (and in fact is > what is used to 'denature' the ethanol, hence the British term "methylated > spirits" or "meths"). It is one of the ingreaents that may be used, but, not by its self. Other ingreadents are benzene (more toxic then methanol), methyl isobutyl ketone, kerosene, deoderized kerosene, or gasoline. Compleat Denaturant approved by ATF: Formula 18 -for every 100 gal. ethanol (not less then 160 proof), add 2.50 gal. of methyl isobutyl ketone; 0.125 gal. of pyronate or compound similar thereto; and 0.50 gal. of acetaldol ; and 1 gal. of kerosene, deoderized kerosene or gasoline. And it is usually made from natural gas these days, > not "wood" and not air and water! If you will check, the American term for methanol is wood alcohol, because it was first produced from wood. Then coal and now natural gas. I sugest that you read the following books to learn how methanol is made, or can be made. I bought all of them off the net. 1) Methanol: Bridge to a Renewable Energy Future By: John H. Perry Jr. and Cristiana Perry 2) Methanol Production And Use Edited by: Wu-Hsun Cheng and Harold H. Kung 3) Proceedings of the Biomass-to-Methanol Specialists' Workshop Edited by: Thomas B Reed and Michael Graboski You will learn how methanol can be made from "air and water". To sum it up, CO2 is recovered from air, H2 is recovered from water, and recombined to make CH3OH (methanol). CO2 + 3H2 -------> CH3OH + H2O And yes, wood to can be gassified to make CO + CO2+ H2O which when you use steam reforming, gives you CO + H2 > Ethanol is 'grain alcohol' (corn, wheat, etc.), and thus renewable as well > as considerably less toxic. So methanol is ' wood alcohol '. If you will check out the Biomass to Methanol book, you will find out that methanol is indeed renewable. As far as "considerably less toxic", try reading the books I mentioned. >Efforts are ongoing here in BC to establish an > "ethanol-from-wood waste" production base, whcih has been previously > discussed. Limited comerical production of methanol from biomass is all ready underway in the US of A. If you are going to argue the point, please first check your facts. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/gwUrIA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
