Hello MM >Returning to the fact that I think this group is excellent, a real >find, I also think the recent change in yahoo has made it very >difficult to maintain my membership. I'm not sure what to do. The >group is, in my view, almost unusable through the web without pop3 >implementation, given time and organization constraints.
On which other listers have commented, but we'll be outta here one of these days. >That said, there are two specific biofuel efforts I wonder if you >guys have any thoughts on. > >Dynamotive: They are making this "bio-oil" or "pyrolysis oil" which >they claim is 100% renewable-sustainable from biomass such as wood. >Could it be used for transportation or is this just for stationary >power plants? Their symbol on yahoo is dymtf.ob. A news article >which gives some indication of their biofuel activities is here: > >http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020226/to023_1.html Quite a lot about Dynamotive in the list archives, including a link to that story and a summary. >and here: > >http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/020403/va234_1.html > >Iogen: I cannot find a symbol for them, so I guess they're not >publicly traded. This is also a Canadian company which came up in >this article: > >http://ens-news.com/ens/apr2002/2002L-04-05-01.html Quite a lot about them in the archives too, and on the Journey to Forever ethanol pages. >I do have one US company symbol, GCOR, which I think is also partly >working in enzymatic production of ethanol, but it's hard to keep >track. > >I have dymtf.ob in my "alternative energy index" here: > >http://www.herecomesmongo.com/cgi-local/tokens.pl?/ae/ae.htm Probably I'm being thick, but I don't really understand these symbols or what you're doing with them - monitoring Yahoo, is that effective? I seem to receive all this news without bothering with Yahoo. I'm not sure what the indexes represent. I can't quite make out the focus of this page. EVs, fuel cells... Interesting set of links, useful, along with anti-Iran, anti-Middle East, anti-Arab... "To a certain extent, we let U.S. foreign policy be dictated to us by the house of Saud." But not vice-versa? That same situation exists with Israel, which is what causes so much of the trouble, and that has much to do with oil, but I can't find any mention of it here. The US was so desperate to get troops stationed in Saudi for such a long time, especially after the demise of the Shah of Iran, creeping up on it, step by step, Diego Garcia, Oman... Some people even said that was one reason behind the Gulf War. Do you think the Saudis want them there? The Saud rulers both do and they don't - they like the security, that their highly oppressive regime is backed and guaranteed by US power, but it's a growing embarrassment, gives them lots of problems with folks like Osama bin Laden, with whom many Saudis, as opposed to Sauds, seem to agree - infidels in the Holy Land, a troublesome matter. Not so simple, eh? I'm glad there's a growing awareness in the US of oil dependence, and I agree it's a great opportunity for biofuels and other measures, but a lot of the thinking seems to be to substitute and go on as before, business as usual - and to blame the Arabs. It's exactly US oil dependence that causes most or even all of the problems in those countries, in many ways it's blaming the victims. Well, whoever's to blame, business as usual isn't a good option, no matter what the fuel source. The US is simply wasteful - with less than 5% of the world's population, the US accounts for 25% of world energy use. Even the OECD says US gas is much too cheap, encouraging high consumption. Overall, the average American uses twice as much energy as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce slightly more per head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it. Energy conservation, energy efficiency, bioregionalism, rational distribution (eg less "food miles") and alternative fuels and energy sources would be the beginnings of a rational policy. It just isn't happening, is it? Quite the opposite. (Whose side am I on? The Nepalese.) >I will add other biofuel companies if possible, but they should be >pure-plays to be considered. So, for example, ADM is not a good >choice. dymtf.ob replaced HIPC which was a pure-play on Ethanol in >the states which was bought out by Abengoa of Spain. > >I'd love to have a biofuel angle to the fuel cell index, but I have >not seen any good evidence that any particular biofuel is a strong >candidate for use in fuel cells, with some possible exceptions. I >have MEOH, regrettably (I removed it from the A-E index, but not yet >from the FC) because methanol is very relevant to some fuel cell >efforts, such as MDTL, MHTX, MKTY?, etc. If I could find a respected >bio-maker of methanol I might be able to replace it. But more >broadly, I wonder about biodiesel and if it is a candidate for use in >fuel, cells. > >Thanks for reading, I won't spam my-our indexes (I have some >partners), but it's in a good cause here as I am glad to here of any >biofuel companies to which I might bring more attention by inclusion. Try a search here, see what you can find: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Info-Archive at NNYTech Biox, Arkenol come to mind. Quite a few biofuels companies here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#biodiesel Biofuels supplies and suppliers: Biodiesel suppliers Best Keith >MM ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. 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