--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: , and people like Pimental pontificate on > energy inputs to ethanol and reckon they make some sense. And we've > all been persuaded that animal fats are bad for us. BS. No, not out > of date. That last aspect of the book goes well with this: > > http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/Famish/famworldToC.html > This Famishing World > > Regards > > Keith
I went to answer the previous post about using cattails vs. corn for ethanol production, searching the web for details of co-products and invairiably Dr Pimentals statistics came up. I've debated with myself on bringing him up and you did it for me. Here's what I want to believe. Pimental tried to go "outside the box" and get a more complete picture of all the inputs and outputs, better science so to speak, He included btu's for the creation of even tractor parts, etc.. He tried to look at the bigger picture. But, from what I understand, he missed the whole picture and neglected other outputs of ethanol production and the benefit of ethanol for the future, something that we cannot even measure. It is hard to measure, science has tried to measure BTU's,Energy content, Market value, Replacement value and output weight values, etc.. but none will be able to prove the "whole picture"! Now forgive me if I'm wrong, but I never saw Pimental pontificate, but certainly others used his science to do just that, much to the detriment of ethanol, and the flawed science made its way into ethanol history and thats why I understand your objections about TFP et al. What Pimental taught me is that yes, one needs to look at the "bigger picture" and to keep ones eyes open for things that might have been missed or new science that hasn't proven yet. I hope we might all learn from this. And it brought out others with more advanced science who certainly learned from his shortcomings. There is no "one size fits all" for ethanol or biofuels. New tools are needed and new ideas, plus what we've learned from history should be applied to how we react in the future, but alas, mankind has really showed his shortcomings along with his resistance to change, eh? Thank you for JTF, it has allowed me to open my eyes and attempt to see a larger picture, and it keeps getting better! I got a chance to read the last couple of chapters of the newest installment and saw: "The father who loves only his own children, disregarding the children of his neighbour, may, in the narrowness of his interests, permit a condition to develop among his neighbor's children that will some day react upon his own to their destruction." And this was right after the "War to end all Wars"?? How humbling. Heres another link for you: http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2002news/bahiagrass.htm not to disrespect the quoted, but: The United States is not the only nation investigating sod-based rotation, said Wayne Reeves, lead scientist of conservation systems research at the USDA Agricultural Research Service's Soil Dynamics Laboratory in Auburn. "Many of our major agricultural competitors, such as Chile, Argentina and Brazil, are heavily researching sustainable agriculture using grasses," said Reeves, an affiliate professor with Auburn University's agronomy and soils department. "So there is some urgency on our part, trying to get this system up and running before the other guy does." Before I met JTF, this would not have raised my brow, now I ponder if I am in a race and just who is my opponent. As an American, again, very humbling! I urge all to strive to look for a bigger picture, whether contemplating Jerimiah 33:3, studying www.journeytoforever.org or at least a simple "Good day" to your neighbor. To idly sit by and do nothing seems such a waste. We are in a race, the human race, and we're all in it togather and I really don't feel like having bad science telling me that its not worth it or that I've already crossed the finish line. God Speed, Keep throwing on more "fuel" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
