This "X lbs. of undigested meat in the intestine" sounds like a bit of a "burpin' legend" IMO.
FWIW: http://www.snopes2.com/toxins/fecal.htm I have Robbins' book and think there's a lot of good stuff in it, and I also think fasting and cleansing the body can be good for you, but if I do it, it's not because I'm worried about accumulations of undigested meat in my lower GI Joe. By the way, I am a huge eater of cheese -- often on the order of half a kilogram per day -- and I am also a "real regular guy" and as mucus-free as anyone I know. I think this probably varies quite a bit from person to person. By all means, listen to what your body is telling you! ("Your Body Knows Best" is the title of a very good book on diet. I think it was written by Louise Gittleman. I also recommend her "Guess What Came to Dinner," a book about parasites -- a much bigger problem even in "advanced" countries than most people suspect.) I will say this, however: eating a lot of animal protein definitely gives anyone a stronger body odor than if they have a diet low in animal protein. On the other hand, a high veggie diet tends to give people a lot of gas -- hey, biofuel! Still on topic . . . ;-) Christopher Witmer Tokyo kirk wrote: >>several pounds of undigested meat >>found in the lower intestinal track and colon of dead meat eaters >>[Western diet meat-eaters who have died] (Diet for a New America, >>John Robbins). >> > > > Maybe they died because they weren't healthy and digesting their food. > Slow bowels are often a product of white flour and other junk in the SAD > (standard American Diet) > The literal translation of the Cherokee word for cheese is "choke ass" > Americans eat waaaay too much dairy. > When you eat something and you get mucus, and you can tell because you are > now clearing your throat and have enhanced drainage, why do you eat it > again? Mucus is the reaction to an irritant. > Seems many are oblivious to their body. How can a mucus producing substance > be rationalized as healthy? > > Kirk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:21 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? > > > Well Chris, > > I'll tell ya' this. All that beneficial meat processing bacteria > is certainly not doing its job as efficiently as one would be led > to believe, considering the several pounds of undigested meat > found in the lower intestinal track and colon of dead meat eaters > [Western diet meat-eaters who have died] (Diet for a New America, > John Robbins). > > Yes, it's rather easy to see that different diets in different > environments would be metabolized in variant fashions and would > take some indeterminant period to completely adjust to. After > all, every living thing is one big biological and chemical > equation. Try going from 3,000' on any diet to 14,000 feet over > night and see if you get fully "acclimatized" before a two week > period has passed, no matter how much your continual fluid > uptake. > > If your body and your mind are accustomed to something, they will > certainly take notice of its absence or any deviation from it. > > I think the part I had most difficulty with was the suggestion > with such certainty that a departure from a heavily meat > concentrated diet (Western diet) would create harm, perhaps > catastrophically. > > >>>>What is easy is harming one's health by trying. >>>> > > I suppose that's why I'm getting older by the day.........If I > had only visited the meat counter with greater frequency this > never would have happened. > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Witmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 8:54 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? > > > >>Todd, >> >>In a rare twist, it is a lot easier to find information on this >> > in > >>Japanese Internet than in English; this may be due to Japanese >>researchers' language limitations. >> >>Japanese-only link at Chiba University: >>http://photo-m.tp.chiba-u.ac.jp/~adeno/sci/bio.htm >> >>I first heard about this on a Japanese television program -- >>Japanese-only link to the television program's webpage on this >> > subject: > >>http://www.ntv.co.jp/FERC/research/19980208/f0518.html >> >>I wasn't able to find anything in English on the Internet, >> > although I > >>did find passing references to one of the key studies in this >> > area: > >>Bergersen, F.J. and E.H. Hipsley (1970). "The presence of N2 - >> > fixing > >>bacteria in the intestines of man and animals." Journal of >> > Tropical > >>Pediatrics 11: 28-34. >> >>To summarize the theory, the Papua highlander diet consists >> > primarily of > >>yams and taro (average of about 1.5kg per day), from which they >> > are able > >>to *directly* assimilate only 15g of protein. The amount of >> > directly > >>assimilated protein is simply insufficient to maintain their >> > heavy > >>musculature (and these people tend to be very muscular) let >> > alone the > >>minimum level needed for survival over time. A professor >> > Mitsuoka of > >>Tokyo University theorizes that the intestinal flora of the >> > Papua > >>highlander are different from those of peoples accustomed to >> > eating > >>meat. Indeed, when people from outside the region try to eat >> > the Papua > >>highlander diet, they suffer from extreme flatulence, to the >> > great > >>amusement of the Papua highlanders, who have very little or >> > none. > >>Conversely, consumption of pork can make Papua highlanders ill, >>sometimes fatally so, whilst people accustomed to eating meat >> > suffer > >>from no ill effects. Analysis of feces of Papua highlanders >> > reveals > >>total nitrogen content to be double that of the pre-assimilated >> > food. > >>This increase is in all likelihood due to the presence of >>nitrogen-fixing bacteria in the intestines of Papua >> > highlanders. > >>(Apparently the same sorts of bacteria associated with >> > leguminous > >>nitrogen fixation are taking atmospheric nitrogen and fixing it >> > in the > >>intestines of the Papua highlanders.) These bacteria then in >> > turn become > >>the source of adequate protein for the Papua highlanders. >> > Another > >>possibility is that ammonia is somehow being converted into >> > protein > >>(pigs and cows have this ability); Papua highlander feces are >> > found to > >>have twice the ammonia content of Japanese. It is suspected -- >> > though > >>hardly conclusively proven -- that half of the protein in the >> > Papua > >>highlander diet comes directly from yams and taro, and the >> > other half > >>from nitrogen fixing bacteria and/or ammonia conversion. >> > Otherwise, it > >>is hard to explain how these people are able to survive. >> > Reportedly, it > >>is possible to for meat eaters to adjust to the Papua >> > highlander diet; > >>however, it takes half a year for the intestinal environment to >> > get to > >>the point where adequate nutrition can be derived. >> >>(You can feel free to draw your own conclusions about whether >> > this > >>theory constitutes rationalization of meat eating.) >> >>Christopher Witmer >>Tokyo >> >>Appal Energy wrote: >> >> >>>Okay....I may be gullible enough to accept some things at >>> > face > >>>value, but this theory seriously pushes my "probability >>> > limit.' > >>>Plausible? Perhaps. Harmful if tried? >>>Uhhhhh........yahhhh.....right. >>> >>>Is that a printing press I hear in the background? Sounds >>> > like > >>>hand tooled metal plates on rag bond. B-o-h-h-h-h-h-g-u-s! >>> >>>I think those sounds of Westerners "starving" is more like a >>>passle of whiney nosed snots who don't know what the first >>> > pang > >>>of hunger actually feels like, radically envisioning death >>> > throws > >>>within moments if they don't get a dead meat fix....the >>> > greasier > >>>the better. >>> >>>I suppose that federal governments are next going to step in >>> > and > >>>force organic vegetable markets to supply bottles of bovine >>>bacteria to their customers with every ten heads of >>> > lettuce....or > >>>face severe financial penalties for reckless endangerment? >>> >>>I'd like to see where this particular theory has been >>> > submitted > >>>for professional scrutiny. (Key word is "professional" here, >>> > not > >>>a bunch of home biofuel officianados.) >>> >>>The things some people will do to rationalize meat eating.... >>>8-( >>> >>>Kinda' like telling people that they can't survive without >>> > their > >>>Prozac. >>> >>>Todd Swearingen >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Christopher Witmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> >>>Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:45 PM >>>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Some people are able to thrive on diets containing such >>>> >>>> >>>extremely low >>> >>> >>>>levels of animal protein that most Westerners would starve to >>>> >>>> >>>death on >>> >>> >>>>them. The people that thrive have different intestinal >>>> > bacteria > >>>than >>> >>> >>>>meat-eating Westerners; the bacteria digest the vegetable >>>> >>>> >>>matter and >>> >>> >>>>then the people digest the bacteria, which turn out to be >>>> > their > >>>source >>> >>> >>>>of complete protein. If one eats a high animal protein diet >>>> >>>> >>>those >>> >>> >>>>particular bacteria will be replaced by a different set of >>>> >>>> >>>bacteria, and >>> >>> >>>>it will no longer be possible to get the necessary nutrition >>>> >>>> >>>from >>> >>> >>>>vegetables alone. It is probably possible to change one's >>>> >>>> >>>intestinal >>> >>> >>>>bacteria to those conducive to surviving on a non-animal >>>> > diet, > >>>but it is >>> >>> >>>>not going to be easy. What is easy is harming one's health by >>>> >>>> >>>trying. >>> >>> >>>>Christopher Witmer >>>>Tokyo >>>> >>>>Ken wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>http://www.beyondveg.com/ >>>>> >>>>>More on that, and believe me I've tried... >>>>>Ken >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. While I >>>>>> > don't > >>>eat a lot >>> >>> >>>>>>of meat, I do require a 6 ounce serving, five times a >>>>>> > week. > >>>Even the >>> >>> >>>>>>doctors that pushed the vegan diet have come to recognize >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>this fact. I >>> >>> >>>>>>have a friend who is bipolar and she has to live on the >>>>>> > high > >>>protein >>> >>> >>>>>>Adkins [sp?] diet, the drugs have given her problems with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>carbohydrates. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Yahoo! 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