NP, just an idea.  :)  I see your point tho.  Adminstration is the biggest
time sink there is.


On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote:

> >Hey Keith,
> >
> >On that note, it would be great to pull together a table to get prices
> >around the US/World for BD.  Prices need to be verified by a scanned
> >reciept or picture of the pump though.  It would help people to decide
> if
> >they want to buy or produce themselves based just on pump cost.
> >
> >James Slayden
> >
> 
> Hi James
> 
> Yes, that would be great, but a lot of research and a lot of constant
> maintenance keeping it up to date, and I'm not into doing it I'm
> afraid. If anyone else wants to I'd consider hosting it at Journey to
> Forever (though I'd still have to get involved in maintenance and
> updates). Sorry, not being reluctant, just being realistic (or trying
> to be).
> 
> regards
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> >
> >On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Keith Addison wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Thor and MM
> > >
> > > > >WOW!!  That's news to me.  Where does BD cost around
> > > > >$1.50?  I pay $2.65/gallon (and believe me, that
> > > > >hurts).
> > >
> > > Sorry Thor, I see that was an industry figure I checked, not a "pump"
> > > figure. But I think somebody has said they're buying commercial brew
> > > for $2. Somebody else quoted $1.75, but that was B20. Still, you're
> > > paying much less than most people in the world pay for their fuel.
> > > American fuel is much to cheap!
> > >
> > > Graham Noyes at World Energy never did tell their costings, but we
> > > did learn that last year they were offering producers $0.85 per
> > > gallon. So the retail price is +200%?
> > >
> > > > >I know you're going to tell me to start brewing my
> > > > >own--and you're right.
> > >
> > > No, I wouldn't say that, depends on your circumstances, and your
> > > preferences. But if you think I'd be right then I guess you'll get
> > > round it when you can. :-)
> > >
> > > > >But I am curious if you have
> > > > >info on regional pricing for biodiesel.
> > >
> > > Not offhand, I'll see if I come across anything.
> > >
> > > >Even if one brews one's own, one should put a value on one's time
> and
> > > >materials costs.  I realize that there are many who don't put as
> high
> > > >a value on "division of labor" as others, but I am just pointing
> this
> > > >out.  I do not assign a cost of zero to my own time or labor in
> doing
> > > >things on my own that I'd rather consider paying someone else to do.
> > >
> > > Todd's done costings for a batch-processing set-up that includes
> > > everything, labour, rents, utilitities, insurance, maintenance and
> > > truck lease for collection, etc, for a 3,000 gpd facility generating
> > > 1,050,000 gallons a year, cost of production well under $0.60 a
> > > gallon.
> > >
> > > On a smaller scale, Chuck Ranum, for instance, seems to spend not
> > > more than a few seconds per gallon making his biodiesel. He tells the
> > > pump to add the methoxide, then he goes away, comes back later. Dale
> > > sits and watches if he wants to. Ian just switches it on and comes
> > > back every now and then, makes it once a month. Aleks and his pal Mat
> > > usually hang around but don't take much notice, get on with other
> > > things.
> > >
> > > The process itself and all its various steps might take time, but it
> > > needn't take you time. Once you set it up properly there's not that
> > > much to do.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith
> 
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