In the future, Solar or wind to generate electricity at home. Either to produce Hydrogen or Compressed air. They run not only the cars but your home appliances/lighting and everything else! President Clinton called that decentralized energy policy, no need to depend on big oil or energy companies! Right now, we can not live without the oil and energy companies. All energy production is highly centralized in those big companies, they get to swing the policy! Edison did that in California, and everybody can see how that happened. You pay up or I cut you off power supply!
Energy shortage? Friend in Arizona tried to set up a facility to use solar panels to generate power and sell for money. The best price he could find to sell those electricity is 1 cents per watt. And in Southern California, we are paying 11 cents for business and 13 cents for residential. From Edison's self deceiving commercials on TV, they are still claiming they are serving Californian! Other states even offered help to sell electricity from their power supply to California, none taken! Being screwed by your own power company! And still have to keep their services after they had done all these! Spineless human! If Bush's energy department has the same like-minded focus as this discussion group. At least there will have several projects that can work on. To find out the best energy solution, Biddiesel, Hydrogen etc.. But you can see it's not happening and that probably not what the big energy companies want the president to do. Al Gore mentioned that instead of using the momentum gathered after- the 911 attack to urge American to conserve energy or use other alternative energy. They decided to use that momentum to support more military deployment in the Middle East! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] air car > I am sure the transmission loss factor vs gas formulation cost has been > beaten to death in other discussions of EVs. > > But just to make is more simple. > assume your Solar panel is sitting on your roof. > there wont be too much of a transmission losses. > so all day long, you can compress air in a tank at home. > > when you get home, you can transfer this to your car slowly overnight, > adding more if > needed overnight cheaply. > > I suppose you could add a bank of batteries at home, instead of a an air > tank. But then you > would lose 10% getting the juice into the batteries and 10% getting it out. > > I would rather have one powerplant with one pollution source.. than have > 1,000 guys at home with generators. New pollution control technology only > has to happen once.. not 1,000 times. I also wouldnt > have to worry abou Jimbos taking pollution controls *off* their generator,.. > to save a few dollars. <you know it would happen> > > Also, I don't want a generator running in my garage at night..pyew.. nor out > back. I certainly dont want > my neighbors running them... i wonder how happy people would be happy when > one of the muffers starts to go. Man.. now i have to go bother to fill up > gas cans again.. i thought that was a reason to > buy this stupid air-car in the first place. > > Of course.. these vehicle.. if existed.. would not be everything to > everyone. No current car is now, why do potential alternatives have to be. > EV.. etc.. > Someone complained what if i have to drive 100 miles or something.. use a > second car.. or rent one. > If you have to do it every week.. buy a different car. > > > > > >Message: 4 > > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:54:13 -0500 > > From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: Taxed To DEATH - AirCar > > > >You need to take into account the efficiency losses: > > > >Hydro/Nuclear/solar/wind/etc Electric generator -> transmission lines -> > >electric motor -> mechanical air compressor -> pipes -> air motor -> > >mechanical transmission -> rubber wheels > > > >I don't know how efficient this would be, but I'm guessing below 4% (if > >my guess makes a difference) > >It could be made better if you used an internal combustion generator, > >but you still have a lot of conversions: > > > >Crops -> oil/alcohol -> IC engine -> mechanical air compressor ... etc > > > >"Crops" would include energy used to plant and maintain the crop as > >well. I guess the above process would be about the same with a > >hydrocarbon fuel. However if you're going to use an IC engine anyway, > >what's wrong with an IC/electric hybrid? > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
