Idiot Government did sign the Kyoto Protocol, then, first thing they did was exempt the Ontario and Quebec auto industry. So what's it about? My guess is: Bleeding money from the rest of Canaduh and stuffing their fat pockets.
. There are huge financial scams involved in Kyoto. Any farmland which grows by zero tillage is a carbon credit asset. That means that the government can 'play monopoly' with trades of carbon credit dollars for cash to some other player that has a dirty factory or ten that are 'fined' under the protocal for pollution. There are fines to pay, unless they buy off the problem with somebody elses carbon dollars. That isn't going to do a thing about real actual pollution, except whitewash it for dollars. And the ever optimistic farmers on the Saskatchewan farmland think they are going to receive the carbon credit dollars. My bet is that the greedy government will get the carbon credit dollars. And the prairie farmer will be left with nothing. The farmers could stop the grab by starting to till, then they would be producers of pollution from the decaying stubble, and the government wouldn't be able get the carbon credits any more. EdB EdB----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Sasol - was [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT REPORTERS >This Sasol plant in South Africa sounds interesting. Any connection >to the German technology? Well, yes, of course - didn't you read my first message? It's at the bottom, but I'll put it here at the top: > > Not so. This is what happened - posted here previously by a list member: > > > > > "One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for > > >going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's > > >synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of > > >Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down > > >into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He > > >brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected > > >this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal > > >as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version > > >of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As > > >the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he > > >couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he > > >realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had > > >been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, > > >alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took > > >his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to > > >Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and > > >it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest > > >synthetic fuels producer globally." --- >We have in Canada, a massive store of petroleum in the Athabasca Tar >Sands. Estimates are that it is 400 times (or was it 4,000) times >the known regular world oil reserves. It is oil soaked shale, >costly to extract. > >It appears the death of investments in extraction was recently >effected by the idiot government signing the Kyoto protocal. It may be an "idiot government" (which one isn't?) but not for signing the Kyoto Protocol. There's quite a lot about the Kyoto Potocol in the archives, it's shortcomings included, and what you'll also find there is how studies in so many countries, including Canada, have found that it's to be viewed as a great business opportunity, and also that any country that doesn't get into it yesterday already is going to be left behind, economically and competitiuvely. Re oil shale and other "too-expensive" resources, did you read this link in my previous message? >See: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=11083&list=biofuel&related=1 Try an archive search for "oil shale" (include quotes). http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Best wishes Keith >Ed B > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Addison > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:18 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT >REPORTERS INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost! > > > Hi Ed > > Well then, I guess both things happened, probably closely associated. > And both fell victim to the benevolance and goodwill to all mankind > of Big Oil. It could have been one of the three plants the American > energy technologist tried to get going > > Anyway, the Sasol plant in South Africa is still going strong. They > make quality fuel from low-grade brown coal which won't even burn. > There are massive amounts of that stuff lying around. This and other > things are seldom taken into account when people talk of Hubbert's > Peak, the end of oil, "die-off", etc. See: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=11083&list=biofuel&related=1 > > regards > > Keith > > > > >Keith: I listened to an interview on Tom Valentine's radio show > >discuss the plant which was brought to Missouri. It was years ago, > >and I cannot give the nane of the man. It was at least an hour of > >discussion about the history, quality of fuel, cost, and other > >aspects. > > > >Ed B > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Keith Addison > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDANT > >REPORTERS INIRAQ-innocent lives will be lost! > > > > > > >At the time of the Second World War, German technology was producing > > >gasoline from coal. An entire factory was brought from Germany, and > > >assembled in Missouri. It made gasoline at a cost of 5 cents a > > >gallon. It was dismantled and the technology was hidden away. > > > > > >Ed B > > > > Not so. This is what happened - posted here previously by a list member: > > > > > "One of our oldest scientists, now 84 yrs. old, was responsible for > > >going into Germany post WWII and uncovering the remains of Hitler's > > >synthetic fuels machine which had been bombed out. I'm speaking of > > >Fischer-Tropsch oily-based paraffins which are hydrocracked down > > >into shorter chains for synthetic gasoline, jet fuel and diesel. He > > >brought back some of the original German scientists who'd perfected > > >this technology which utilized coarse, low-grade brown German coal > > >as feedstock. Three times he tried to start-up an American version > > >of synthetic hydrocarbon fuels in the GTL arena and was blocked. As > > >the highest ranking American energy technologist post WWII, he > > >couldn't figure this out. It was over 20 years later that he > > >realized that the late John Rockefeller of Standard Oil [Exxon] had > > >been the politic behind the scenes, making sure that his new, > > >alternative fuel ideas did not materialize. This scientist then took > > >his blueprints for the first major GTL project and gave them to > > >Sasol who built his first coal gasification device back in 1953 and > > >it is still operating today. Sasol from South Africa is the oldest > > >synthetic fuels producer globally." > > > > Best wishes > > > > Keith > > > > > > > >Yes, hydrogen from coal is the only fossil alternative. It >will take you > > > >20 to 30 years to get to this. Bush loves this, since he probably been > > > >briefed about the seriousness of today's situation. He does >not explain > > > >it to the American people, like both Carter and Nixon tried >to do. Things > > > >have not got better since then, on the contrary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! 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