Hi Detrick Hm - very interesting! Seems you've uncovered something. Please pardon my earlier doubts.
Now why don't the SVO missionaries and sellers of kits know about this? - as it seems they don't - and done something about it? As it seems they haven't. Is it up to Jim Caldwell/the EPA to go to them? This seems quite a clearcut issue, much more so than the so-called "EPA hassle" was with biodiesel - there's no question of a conspiracy of Big Guys ganging up on the little guys, as was alleged with biodiesel. There is information available on SVO emissions, quite a lot more than there was a year or two ago, and a growing body of... something or other, not sure that it's evidence exactly, recorded user experience anyway, on a couple of databases on the web. This could be forwarded to Jim Caldwell - I doubt he's "anti" SVO in any way, probably be quite willing to cooperate. Some interested party/parties should make a start, engage Jim Caldwell - you've already done that Detrick, now you need some support from the SVO fraternity. With these legal issues, there's one BIG difference (well, another one) between SVO and biodiesel: there's no industry lobby for SVO. Two sides to that, sure enough, but it leaves a vacuum. Best wishes Keith >more comments inline... > >Keith Addison wrote: > >>nope... I'm talking about SVO/WVO, not biodiesel. Everything I've seen > >>and heard from talking with Jim Caldwell of the EPA, states that the use > >>of SVO and/or WVO in an on-road diesel is against current regulations. > > > > Jim Caldwell, yes, I know of him. Some of us have had contact with > > him in the past I believe. > > > > But I still think there's some confusion here. AFAIK they're only > > interested if you SELL the stuff, not if you simply use it. All the > > fuss with biodiesel has been over selling it, for on-road use (no > > problem for off-road use). > > > > If you're just a user, with no sales transaction anywhere along the > > line, as is the case with SVO/WVO fuel (I think), then all you have > > to do is pay whatever on-road taxes apply. I think... As Hakan said. > > > > You're just aiming to be a user, aren't you? Can't see much of a > > future in selling SVO/WVO fuel (though there are Europeans who're > > doing just that with their "PPO"). > > > >Yes, I'm aiming just to be a user. According to what I've heard from >Jim so far, SVO/WVO can't be used as a motor fuel in an on-road diesel >automobile unless the EPA knows more about it's emissions performance. >Here's an email I received from Jim: > >========================================== >Detrick, > >With respect to a fuel acquired for free and intended solely for >personal use, please see the attached letter where we recently >established a policy that, for a similar situation for biodiesel, >registration is not required. Once we know more about the emissions >performance of the kit for vegetable oil we could consider a similar >policy. However, a lot of testing has been done on biodiesel, so we >have a good handle on its performance. Please see >http://www.epa.gov/otaq/models/analysis/biodsl/p02001.pdf > >Jim Caldwell >(202) 564-9303 > >(See attached file: MaineBiodiesel4.wpd) >========================================== >And, the contents of the attached letter, "MaineBiodiesel4.wpd": >========================================== >Ms. Lynne A. Cayting, Chief > April 22, 2003 >Mobile Sources Section >Bureau of Air Quality >Department of Environmental Protection >State of Maine >17 State House Station >Augusta, Maine 04333-0017 > >Dear Ms. Cayting: > >Thank you for your December 30, 2002 letter to Robert Judge of our >Boston office concerning the production of biodiesel by individuals and >organizations. You asked if those parties were subject to the fuel >registration regulations at 40 CFR 79 if the biodiesel were solely for >their own use. These regulations apply only to fuels used in motor >vehicles. > >As a matter of policy, we will not require the registration of >biodiesel, as defined in our regulations at 40 CFR ¤ >79.56(e)(4)(ii)(B)(2), produced by an individual solely for use by that >individual. With respect to an organization producing biodiesel for its >own use, we will consider this policy on a case-by-case basis. We would >also point out that there are exemptions to the registration >requirements based upon the use of biodiesel in a research program such >as a program that might be conducted by a school. > >Any person producing biodiesel should follow routine quality-control >measures. A fuel of poor quality that, for example, does not meet >industry based standards such as those published by the American Society >for Testing and Materials (ASTM), could damage the engine and jeopardize >the warranty. > >I hope that this is helpful. Please contact us if we can be of further >assistance. > >Sincerely, > >/s/ >Suzanne Rudzinski >Director >Transportation and Regional Programs Division >========================================== > > > > >>>Which one? He was talking about SVO/WVO? > >> > >>Jim Caldwell was the EPA engineer I've been speaking with. We were > >>specifically discussing SVO/WVO. He mentioned that biodiesel is well > >>known to the EPA, but that SVO/WVO would need extensive testing before > >>being allowed for use as a motor fuel by the EPA. > > > > Again, I'd think that should be "allowed *for sale*". But, could be > > wrong, very interested to know. > > > > Up to them to prove you guilty, after all, not you to prove your innocence. > >In a state where they set up road blocks and pull over diesel powered >vehicles to test their fuel to make sure road taxes are paid, I'd rather >carry some backing that explains my legal use of this fuel they don't >recognize. > >-detrick ------------------------ Yahoo! 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