Terry, Might you care to include a small vial sampling of epsom salts in your emulsion breaking efforts?
The reason I ask is that the water that settles out could then be used during the waste water treatment stage where the dissolved soaps are pulled out as a soap scum by adding either magnesium sulfate or aluminum sulfate. This would give the waste from your trial a useful second application were it to be effective. Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "lohnestd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO > Todd, > I made the emulsion in a blender. I mixed 5 liters this way, one 1 > liter at a time, for 15 seconds then added it all together for a > total of 5 liters of emusion. I wanted to see how long it would > take to separate on its own at room temperature, so I let it sit. > After 3 days, there was no separation at all that I could see. I > know that 20% water is a bit excessive, but it's easier to see the > water removal that way. > > Terry > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terry, > > > > Just out of curiosity, how did the 80/20 soy/water become > emulsified? Just > > running the two in a blender would create but a temporary > emulsification, > > although there would always be the thin emulsified interface layer. > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "lohnestd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:54 PM > > Subject: [biofuel] Re: dewatering WVO > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > This problem is something I noticed right away when I started > > > reading into how biodiesel is made, and the pitfalls associated > with > > > the process (i.e making soap instead of fuel.) As a chemical > > > engineer, I figured there had to be a way to separate the > emulsified > > > oil chemically. Right now, I'm experimenting with separation of > 80% > > > soybean oil, 20% water (emulsified in a blender) using a CaCl > salt > > > solution at varying concentrations and temperatures. CaCl, > better > > > known as driveway ice melting salt, is cheap and easy to come by > > > even in Washington State where we don't get much ice. I've > already > > > done some preliminary separations in jars, and it's AMAZING how > fast > > > you get separation. CaCl is very low on the toxicity scale, and > I'm > > > hoping the minimum concentration and temperature will be low, > saving > > > both energy and time. I would appreciate any feedback; I have a > > > picture of the apparatus I'm using in case anyone is interested. > > > > > > Terry Lohnes > > > > > > --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Neoteric Biofuels Inc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Or into the drains and landfills....in a big way!! > > > > > > > > Edward Beggs > > > > http://www.biofuels.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, July 19, 2003, at 09:55 PM, Appal Energy wrote: > > > > > > > > > In the United States WVO primarily goes towards animal feed > as > > > an > > > > > energy > > > > > quotient, the cosmetics industry, the oleo-chemicals industry > > > in > > > > > general and > > > > > to third world countries as refined yellow grease for edible > > > purposes. > > > > > > > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Christopher Tan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:28 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [biofuel] dewatering WVO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Keith: > > > > >> > > > > >> Any idea what the recyclers do with WVO? I talked to a > couple of > > > > > restaurants > > > > >> and found out that there are people who buy their WVO. The > > > > >> restaurants > > > > >> don't have a clue what is done with the WVO. > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards, > > > > >> Chris > > > > >> > > > > >> =>-----Original Message----- > > > > >> =>From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> =>Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 9:56 PM > > > > >> =>To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> =>Subject: Re: [biofuel] dewatering WVO > > > > >> => > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>>Hey Kieth- > > > > >> =>> > > > > >> =>>Which restaurants did you learn not to eat at, and why? > > > > >> =>> > > > > >> =>>Best Regards, > > > > >> =>> > > > > >> =>>John D, in Ohio > > > > >> => > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>Hello John > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>As a general rule we've found the cheaper the restaurant > the > > > worse > > > > >> =>the WVO - more abused, cooked longer and probably hotter > > > before > > > > >> being > > > > >> =>renewed, higher FFA levels. Others say the same in other > > > countries. > > > > >> =>I'm sure there are exceptions but I've yet to find one. > One > > > real > > > > >> =>cheap eatery in Chiba used quite a lot of oil but didn't > have > > > any > > > > >> WVO > > > > >> =>for us - they used it all up! Ulp... I definitely > wouldn't eat > > > > >> =>anything that'd been cooked in some of the WVO we've had, > > > lethal I > > > > >> =>reckon. As the prices rise so does the WVO quality. The > very > > > good > > > > >> =>stuff that's hardly been used at all comes from the classy > > > joints, > > > > >> =>but it can be hard to get hold of - the waste recyclers > seem > > > to like > > > > >> =>it for the same reasons we do. > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>We don't do restaurants now, one step back in the chain, > > > much > > > > >> better. > > > > >> =>Also one step forward: quite a lot of the organic farmers > > > here are > > > > >> =>using our biodiesel in their tractors. Most of them sell > most > > > of > > > > >> =>their produce direct to consumers via "teikeis" ("face-to- > > > face"), > > > > >> the > > > > >> =>Japanese version of CSAs (Community Supported > Agriculture), > > > and > > > > >> =>apparently the original inspiration for CSAs. Midori, my > > > partner at > > > > >> =>Journey to Forever, made flyers for them to put in the > > > delivery > > > > >> boxes > > > > >> =>with all the veggies, with a photo of the happy organic > farmer > > > > >> =>driving his biod-fuelled tractor and explaining a bit > about > > > it. And, > > > > >> =>as hoped, the consumers are now starting to send the WVO > from > > > their > > > > >> =>home kitchens back to the farmers in the empty boxes. So > the > > > farmers > > > > >> =>are now moving towards making their own fuel from their > > > customers' > > > > >> =>used cooking oil, quite nice. The oil itself is as good as > > > the best > > > > >> =>stuff we get, hardly used at all, not overheated, very low > > > > >> titration, > > > > >> =>no water content. Maybe that's because these are organic > > > produce > > > > >> =>consumers and perhaps more aware of food and health > issues, > > > but > > > > >> maybe > > > > >> =>not. We've also been offered oil by a women's group that's > > > into > > > > >> waste > > > > >> =>recycling and collects WVO at household level. They make > soap > > > out of > > > > >> =>it but they have too much and don't have a good market for > > > the soap. > > > > >> =>These aren't organic consumers, so we'll see. Probably > it's > > > also > > > > >> =>high-quality WVO. So much for cheap restaurants. Pity. > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>regards > > > > >> => > > > > >> =>Keith > > > > >> => > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > >> > > > > >> Biofuels list archives: > > > > >> http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > >> > > > > >> Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > > >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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