Keith, on many points you are actually right, my reply was a bit out of the context - sorry, always in a hurry, I work in a multi - tasking environment. Just before taking a "health physics" course - cause of disease, based on what I've red in soil and health library. Bottom line - external factors may contribute, but not cause the disease. Disease comes from the inside. In other words, if you take 2 people and let them sit on a sun, one may get sick, and another not, which entirely depends on how healthy they are. Health of the person is based on condition of their liver, pancreas, kidneys and so on which in turn depends on the amount of toxins in the body (chemicals), and many other factors. Sun is not guilty. Regards, Alex
----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Popular Mechanics article > This all seems a little disconnected Alex. > > >Keith, > >thank you for your reply and comments. > >Yes, I live in Ontario, Canada and we enjoy sun here - but we have lots of > >pollution too. > > You questioned sunshine as a cause of cancer, which indeed it can be. > > >My question to you is: What's wrong with living in harmony with nature, at > >least trying too? > > Who ever said anything was wrong with it? Certainly not me, neither > said nor implied, I've very often said quite the opposite (and > practise what I preach, as much as I'm able). > > >Why do I have to go to school "on health physics" if I want to do it? > > If you want to do what, live in harmony with nature? Bob said you > need a short course on health physics because of what you were saying > about the causes of disease, and I agreed with him (and still do). > > >What's wrong with browsing through the soil and health library? > > Nothing whatsoever, as I said. But that's not what you proposed. > > >In my opinion there are some really fascinated books there... > > Indeed there are, as I said (some of them scanned by me, if you have > a closer look). But referring someone to an entire library (and > getting the url wrong) to support your point doesn't make any sense. > > >Btw, I didn't refer to health food as "whole food". > > I know you didn't, I did. Your reference to health food was in the > context of the soil and health library, and so was my response. > > >I repeat, to me health > >food, > >is food which is alive. Some good books about it are "Enzyme nutrition" by > >Howell and > >"Sprouting book" by Ann Wigmore. > > Which are not in the soil and health library. > > Oh well. > > Keith > > > >Regards, Alex > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:42 AM > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Popular Mechanics article > > > > > > > Hello Alex, Bob and all > > > > > > >Bob, > > > >my humble comments are below... > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Bob Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 4:58 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Popular Mechanics article > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dan, > > > > > > I disagree with what you say. > > > > > > If sun radiation was linked to cancer it doesn't really mean it's > > > >causing > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > sorry I can't let this go by. Wrong, wrong, wrong... nothing, > >plants, > > > > > animals, nothing would survive on the surface of the planet without > > > > > ozone filtering the short wavelength light. (sunlight just the same) > > > > > Current evolutionary theory suggests that life began a few meters > >below > > > > > the surface of the earth (under water) due to the deadly flux of > > > > > sunlight, about 4 billion years ago- give or take a few hundred > >million. > > > > > > > >- I basically refer here to conditions on the surface of our planet, like > > > >when you look > > > >up and see clouds, blue sky, glimpse of sun, and understand that it is > >very > > > >well done! > > > > > > Yes, like a burnt steak! You obviously don't live in the south (no, > > > of the planet, not of the US). > > > > > > "This year's Antarctic ozone hole is the second largest ever > > > observed, according to scientists from NASA, the National Oceanic and > > > Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the Naval Research Laboratory. > > > The Antarctic ozone hole is defined as thinning of the ozone layer > > > over the continent to levels significantly below pre- 1979 levels. > > > Ozone blocks harmful ultraviolet "B" rays. Loss of stratospheric > > > ozone has been linked to skin cancer in humans and other adverse > > > biological effects on plants and animals. The size of this year's > > > hole reached 10.9 million square miles on September 11, 2003. It was > > > slightly larger than the North American continent, but smaller than > > > the largest hole ever recorded, on September 10, 2000, when it > > > covered 11.5 million square miles." [more] > > > "2003 ozone 'hole' approaches, but falls short of record", NASA NEWS > > > RELEASE, Spaceflight Now, September 28, 2003 > > > http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0309/28ozonehole/ > > > > > > Etc etc etc. > > > > > > > > > This is what causing cancer - chemicals which accumulate in the > >body. > > > > > > > > > > meaningless. food and water are chemicals. > > > > > > Toxins which accumulate in the body, whether "natural" or not, as > > > well as radiation and perhaps other causes too. > > > > > > > > > Sunscreens too. Basically, underlying cause is luck of healthy food > >and > > > > > > lifestyle. > > > > > > > >- To me water is just water, but chlorine and fluoride you put into it - > > > >these are chemicals... > > > > > > This is a very subjective way of classifying things. > > > > > > > > so tell me, what is health food? Broccoli? nope, it's known to > > > > > contain substances which cause cancer. Vitamins? careful, there is a > > > > > condition which can be deadly, overdosing on fat soluble vitamins, > > > > > particularly A. > > > > > > > >- I'd like to refer you to www.soilandhealthlibrary.org. Basically health > > > >food is food which > > > > is alive. Frankly, I'm not a great believer in evolution...In my > >opinion > > > >man was created > > > > to coexists with other creatures, because everything should be in > > > >harmony. > > > > Once this balance is destroyed - thickness starts. > > > > > > "Thickness"? "Health" literally means "wholeness". Health foods are > > > "whole" foods, or should be - "naturally" grown in fertile soils, not > > > denatured or processed so as to destroy their wholeness. > > > > > > To refer someone to Steve Solomon's www.soilandhealthlibrary.org for > > > something like this is not reasonable. First, it'd help to get the > > > url right: www.soilandhealth.org. Second, there are scores of books > > > there, in three or four different sections. It's a bit like saying > > > "because it says so at the British Library", or "on the Internet". > > > Many of the books at soilandhealth.org actually contradict each other > > > in various ways (Steve and the JtF Small Farms library share a lot > > > and collaborate a lot - > > > http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html), and almost all of > > > them predate the widespread use of the term "health food". > > > > > > The books at these two libraries have much to say about health that's > > > of great importance and is not being taken into account today > > > (several of them are essential to a full understanding of health) - > > > their main message (bot not the only one) is that health and immunity > > > start off with a healthy, fertile soil. But I don't think they prove > > > what you're saying. > > > > > > > > > On the contrary, sun = life. > > > > > > I wonder if people like Tauregs share that view. I'd guess their > > > attitude to it is probably a bit less simplistic. > > > > > > > > also too much sun or sun of the short wavelength variety mean death_ > > > > > actually, it means cross-linked DNA which can lead to mutations and/or > > > > > cancer. The statistics are overwhelming. More exposure to sun > > > > > correlates with higher incidence of cancer. > > > > > > > > > > > Water already contains some radioactive isotopes of Hydrogen - this > >is > > > >what > > > > > > heavy water is. > > > > > > > > > > well, only sort of. heavy water generally refers to deuterium oxide, > > > > > which is not radioactive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generally speaking, natural radioactivity by itself is quite safe, > >or > > > >may be > > > > > > beneficial, > > > > > > > > > > Phooey, Uranium miners have a much higher incidence of cancer than > >the > > > > > general population. Any source of ionizing radiation be it alpha > > > > > particles, beta particles, gamma rays all cause defects in DNA. > > > > > > > >- I think this is greatly overrated. > > > > > > Why do you say so? > > > > > > > > Sorry but you are sorely in need of a short course in health physics. > > > > > > I think so too. > > > > > > >- I simply believe that everything natural is not harmful. Because he is > > > >kind to us. > > > > We make it harmful. > > > > > > This is irrational. Are you saying that we humans are not "natural"? > > > You've implied just the opposite: > > > > > > >In my opinion man was created to coexists with other creatures, > > > >because everything should be in harmony. > > > > > > I think these are just rather meaningless labels. But anyway, we were > > > all created, man, animals, birds and bees, rats, cockroaches, > > > anopheles mosquitoes, smallpox, leprosy, ebola and all, including the > > > gas that suddenly erupted from an African lake and killed everything, > > > plus wildfires, floods and storms that have nothing to do with us but > > > not very kindly kill and destroy millions or billions of creatures > > > and plants, but everything else is "natural" and non-harmful except > > > us? What we do is not natural? Whence this unnatural division? We are > > > not separate from nature, though some of us like to think so. And > > > you're judging radioactivity according to these criteria? > > > > > > Best > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Alex > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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