>Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:13:40 +0900 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [vegoil-diesel] chiming in on one-tank kits > >Did the glow plugs burn out on your own conversion Capra? Last I >heard from Jim Burke he hadn't had any such problems with his >Elsbett kit, he was very enthusiastic about it, and there's nothing >about burnt out glow plugs at his website on the installation: >http://ctbiodzl.freeshell.org/votdi.html > >Best > >Keith
Capra doesn't reply. There's been a spate of criticism of Elsbett in the US now, this being but the latest (I think). It's left me feeling rather awkward. I had nothing to do with Capra's Elsbett installation, but it was me who persuaded Klaus Elsbett to take an interest in the US market, and it was also me who persuaded Craig Reece to take an interest in Elsbett. And now Elsbett is much criticised, but it seemed to me that they weren't being given a chance to respond to these criticisms, and indeed perhaps didn't even know about them. So I wrote to Klaus Elsbett and forwarded him some of the criticisms that have been posted about the place in the last month or so, asking for his comment. Indeed, it was the first he'd heard of it. Here's his reply, which he asked me to forward to the lists: >Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:34:56 +0100 >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Klaus Elsbett) >To: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, anoack > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Elsbett in the US > >Dear Keith, >I spoke to Aleaxander about everything, and our comment is rather clear: > >Elsbett is specialised both in 1-tank- and in 2-tank versions, so >there is no potential conflict of interests when it comes to >advising the customer on the best technical solution for his car... > >There had been problems with glow plugs, there had been electrical >wiring problems. The problems were solved, free of charge for the >customers, where parts and hardware were involved. At this time, we >from Elsbett are not aware of any unsolved problems in the U.S. that >were not dealt with either by sending parts, giving instructions or >suggesting remedies. We have a long history of facing technical >problems and properly dealing with them. We would like to expand to >the U.S., and we are willing to serve the U.S. market in a better >way. This is a dynamic process. As usual, things do not go as fast >and smooth as we or the customers would wish. But we have improved >our back-up service, we have substantially improved our American >website, we have improved our installation instructions and diagrams >and are continuing to do so. Unfortunately, our background is >technology pioneering and not money-making or propaganda. Those are >areas where others do better. > >Keith, could you have this published ? Thank you for your >cooperation, I very much appreciate that. > >Best regards >Klaus Elsbett Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever >>All potential one-tank pioneers, >> >>First off, good for you if you're considering one-tank. In my opinion, >>the only way to make veg oil viable as a fuel that more people are >>willing to use, one tank will be essential, because of our addiction to >>convenience and not having to think/maintain. Not to mention that it's >>great if you want to remove all petroleum from your fuel equation. >> >>One tank systems require less maintenance, because they do not modify >>the fuel routing and do not extensively modify the coolant system, if at >>all. One tanks are also significantly easier to install than a properly >>done 2 tanker...no funky hoses, no solenoids, etc., though more >>intrusive into the fuel system, because of injector mods. After doing >>the Elsbett conversion & then converting another truck using two tank, I >>would never go back. >> >>I got a rep for being an Elsbett fan because of doing the first E >>conversion in the NW, but I'm not a loyalist of any product, I just like >>what works, and I'm here to tell you, go with Neoterric (no I don't work >>for them). Elsbett has a great rep in Europe. They've been >>manufacturing a boat engine that runs so cool that it can be cooled with >>veg oil, saving salt-water corrosion. I believe they have been in that >>business for 30 years. But the conversion kit came out around the time >>we did the first conversion, and I don't know how well tested it is. As >>Craig mentioned, the instruction sheets are inscrutable. Better than >>some (sadly), but their diagrams are a mess, and they've rejected >>opportunities to package them with easier read diagrams I made for the >>conversion classes, and from what I hear, his attempts to get them to >>work on them, plus the English translation is so bad they would have >>been better off leaving it in German. Their customer service was good >>at first, but then when we really started having problems, they >>disappeared...apparently, selling so many kits their customer service >>couldn't keep up with it. The truth is, the glow plugs have burned out >>on most Elsbett conversions that I know of...even the ones that >>Alexander Noack of Elsbett came and directed. We thought we were wiring >>it wrong, but I know someone who had their car done by him who lost >>their glow plugs within a month. All those people have reverted to >>their original glow plug systems at considerable expense. >> >>Neoterric, on the other hand, has a great reputation, and I have never >>heard of anyone having problems with their two-tank conversion. Craig, >>who sent the post about it is probably the most reliable source of good >>information on the West Coast of the US for running veg oil, and helped >>to design the system. The VorMax is a truly awesome innovation (also >>available from Webb, for two tankers who want one), and Neoterric >>promises to stand by their product with good customer service. Which >>seems like the most important element of any company adding a product to >>a cutting edge market. I personally, think it is worth the extra >>expense, particularly if you're converting a nice car or newer car and >>want it to function smoothly. I hear you can pull your own injectors & >>increase the pressure 5-10 bar (as you do with the Elsbett conversion), >>but you should know that these designs also use a wider injection >>nozzle...so potentially if you didn't want to spend the $$, and wanted >>to experiment (on a car such as mine that is not even worth a 1000$) you >>could raise the pressure and add filtration, inline and tank heat and >>create a cheaper conversion. >> >>Capra ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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