I would love to know more info on the biomass gasifier but the site you reference in not in English. Know of any other good sources?
Mark McElvy _____ From: gcjahnke2000 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 11:54 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Newbie looking for advice My disclaimer is the same as your. I have never made biodiesel, I am just looking at the options. For heating your fuel, there is a cheaper, more environmental friendly way to do it. Build a biomass gasifier and use that to for your heat source. You cna find some info about how to build a gasifier at http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/3.shtml. <http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/3.shtml.> I recently built one and it works really well. Mine is powered by woodchips that I get from the local dump (they have thousands of tons of the things. Check with your local dump, there is a good chance they either have them or know where to get them free) and is currently running an old chevy straight 6 that is coupled to a 10kw generator. I have a second gasifier that has a blower on it and is connected to my foundry. The temp is controlled by the blower speed. It can be controled pretty accuratly this way (within 10 degrees anyway). I have still not figured out where to get the WVO to start with. Do you just call your local mcdonalds and ask them if you can have some of their old oil? If/when I get this figured out (hint, hint.... somebody pls give me some advice on this one) I do at least know how I am going to heat and power the thing economically (the rest I am still working on). If you are looking for off grid, I think the gasifier is your best bet. I just got my system up and runnign about a week ago. I pulled the breaker at the meter (yes, we have a main breaker right bellow the meter) and we have been off grid ever since, except fo a couple hours where I turned the main breaker back on and shut down my engine to check it for tar deposits (happy to report there were none evident at all). If you want/need more info on gasifiers, let me know. It is actually an incredibly simple thing. I built mine entirely out of junk that I salvaged from the local dump or had sitting in my barn. I don't now if I would want to use one to run a vehicle, but for running either a stationary generator or for heating stuff (like a foundry or a big drum full of vegetable oil) it works great! --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron F. Wieler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Disclaimer: I still haven't made BD. I can still think and use a > calculator, though. OK... > > You're looking at a lot of electricity to heat your fuel through the > reaction. I would suggest that you consider heating the WVO in a separate > container with WVO, biodiesel, or byproduct before the reaction. Then you > can insulate the reactor, and use electricity for keeping everything hot, > once it's at the reaction temperature. Also, it seems to me that the > "foolproof" method is a lot more energy intensive because of the long > process time, and the need to re-heat the oil (whatever it is at this > point) after the first stage. Insulate. > > Also, depending on the size of your battery bank, it might take awhile to > recouperate after running a reaction, unless you are using your generator > (which is legitimate here, i would say.) > > Good luck. I'm trying to make an off-grid BD processor too. I'm going the > direction of pre-heating WVO with fuel, then using good insulation and > only a little PV-generated electricity to run the pump and maybe keep the > oil warm with an electric immersion heat element. > > -Aaron > > > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I have been following this list for a while know and am very interested in > > making Biodiesel for my own use. I am building a retirement home in northern > > Michigan that is a totally off grid. We have solar and wind power for our > > electric. I have installed a solar wall for some of my heat and the Biodiesel > > would work great for my Diesel generator, bulldozer, and pickup truck. > > > > I am thinking of going with Aleks Kac's Foolproof method for making it. I > > was wondering what some of you think of this method? I have a good source for > > the WVO so it won't be a problem. I am still looking for a good source for the > > Methanol and sulfuric acid. I have found it online but it is a little > > pricey. I also see it takes 10% phosphoric acid. I am not a chemist at all and > > don't know what that is or where to look for it. I found a higher percentage > > online but don't know if that was what I needed or not. I hope these questions > > are not to dumb but I want to make sure I start this out right. I am making my > > processor with pumps and hoses so I don't have to stir and pour any fluids. > > I am also using water heater elements to do my heating so I won't have any > > open flames to contend with. > > > > If I want to run B100 for my Generator will the fuel supplement that I use > > now for the off road fuel work to keep my pour point good in the winter or > > should I mix it with the off road fuel? > > > > Any advice anyone can send my way would be great. 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