Well, I think that if we are to cost them money, or if the 4th estate is to do anything, it can't be done without bringing these lies and hypocrisies to light (such as when they come from a corporate flack or CEI, or a Politician, or whatever), and it can't be done without enforcement of the property rights that these corporations and others regard as a matter of expediency. So, for example, if Monsanto kills people through criminal negligence or worse, then the amounts of money, and imprisonment if warranted, should be severe enough to provide clear motive to the next potential criminals to not repeat the act.
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:37:24 +0900, you wrote: >Hi MM > >It's not in their nature to "play fair" - they don't have a nature, >they're corporations. They'll do whatever thay can to benefit the >bottom line. The only way to make them behave is to make it too >expensive for them to misbehave. Otherwise, rules, whether of "free >trade" or whatever, are for other (?) people, not for them - they'll >bend them if it suits them. They have the capability to do that, why >would they be reluctant to use it? What's to stop them? I don't think >a corporation can be any more guilty of hypocrisy than a >malfunctioning computer can be. Remember this? "You don't understand. >It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't >feel pity, or remorse, or fear." See: >http://journeytoforever.org/fyi_previous5.html#creed > >Fair play has to be imposed on them from without, or forced, or they >must be dismantled - terminated. > >What's to stop them? An alert community, a responsive media that's >heard of the 4th estate, an indepedent judiciary - all stolen from us >now. We have to take them back. > >Regards > >Keith > > > >>On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:55:29 +0900, you wrote: >> >> >Hi MM >> > >> >>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&e=2&u=/nm/2003122 >> >>0/sc_nm/environment_valdez_dc >> >> >> >>I love where the Exxon VP Frank Sprow claims that study of the >>situation has >> >>shown the "remarkable powers of recovery" of the environment. >> > >> >:-) >> > >> >Right, he won't mind a few tonnes of crude on his lawn then, and all >> >over his garden, in his swimming pool, added to his water supply, in >> >all his food, and his family's, and saturate his livingroom rugs with >> >it while we're at it, and his eiderdown, and don't forget his local >> >golf course. Hey, Frank, what's the problem, it's only a short-term >> >effect, you'll be feeling all better by tomorrow I'm sure. >> >>I was thinking today about something I've mentioned before, which is the >>hypocrisy of the business tax breaks for SUVs. This is hypocritical in the >>sense that it is coming from folks (large Auto Companies, Republicans, >>Conservatives, whatever) who claim, at times, to be supporters of "free >>enterprise" and yet they are using this bald-faced tax support... e.g., a >>socialist measure. It is also a direct contradiction of a mantra we've heard >>before from some of these same parties. They've claimed that they'd sort of >>like to do greener cars over the years, but that we must all respect that >>consumers are speaking with their dollars and demanding many many >>SUVs. So, OK, >>fine, then WHY do those same vehicles need taxpayer support that >>goes beyond the >>support given to alt-fuel vehicles? >> >>Anyway, I want to make some of the same point here with respect to >>Mr. Sprow and >>Exxon and the sort-of-free-market-supporting politicians with whom they often >>associate. This is arguably a case of massive property damage by Exxon of >>others. Ok, was the price paid sufficient to compensate? I don't know. I'm >>just pointing out the potential for hypocrisy, depending on how they approach >>this. If they wish their rights to be respected (to explore, do business, >>discover and exploit resources within the confines of whatever deals they've >>negotiated), then they have to know that those very same principles >>protect the >>rights of the business who are damaged. >> >> > >> >These guys! But why would we expect any other attitude, same as Dow's >> >over Bhopal, same as, same as, same as... >> > >> >Direct action does have its appeal. >> > >> >Keith >> >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Biofuels list archives: >>http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel >> >>Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. >>To unsubscribe, send an email to: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >>To visit your group on the web, go to: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Your use of Yahoo! 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