At 10:38 PM 12/29/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Get rid of the caffeine, nicotine, meat and cut way back on dairy and you'll >find that nobody smells as bad as they did with it.
True and even as I wrote that I knew there was more to it than gender, I must say my opinion is based on a limited study group- my husband and son. The son was completely breastfed at the time, and still the smell was much worse than it had been for the girls, Admittedly I made assumptions based on that limited comparison. >Deodorants can usually be abandoned altogether, Actually I personally find women to be more naturally "fragrant" in that area, with or without shaving. >Besides, humans haven't been coming off the assembly line with scent glands >per se for the past several thousand years. I am not sure what you meant by this, but I was assuming that "natural smells" were normal biological processes, some of which have been conditioned by industrialized society to be interpreted as offensive where perhaps they are not or even are desirable in other cultures. I have too little direct information on that issue to make definitive statements. >And while this doesn't have a grand amount to do with biofuels, some of >these wrong perceptions sure can lend to mountains of consumer purchases of >produets de parfume in the collective. These same products require enormous >amounts of chemicals, energy and other resources to produce and transport, >and generate even more needless waste and polution in their use and >disposal. Absolutely, however again I must say it is also a fair amount of cultural conditioning. Back to a similar original example, diapers. Human babies have lived the first few months in some form or other of diapers since they started wearing clothes. Yet today with disposable diapers with the absorbent gel stuff and scent inside, there is almost no odor. While this seems a plus to the average consumer, the waste created and the waste and cost to produce these, is staggering. But, in just a few years this method of child care has become so much the standard that using a traditional and environmentally friendly method is becoming scarce and unavailable for many lifestyles. (Most daycare centers, not that I approve I institutionalized child rearing, will not allow anything but disposable diapers.) This has become yet another "necessity", that must be provided for the indigent, along with formula, and baby food which to me is the best example of how skewed industrialized cultures have become. I rent space to social services and have had opportunity to observe both their clients and their rules. The requirements they have that are not only wasteful but often arguably contribute to poor outcomes in their clients lives are amazing to me. >Imagine the bottom line that could be eroded of some realy ugly corporations >and industrial practices if humans started getting rid of root problems >rather than just covering them up. Nasty business that of deception. I believe deception is the name of the game. Most modern products are springing up not out of need, but out of deceptive advertising to try to convince the public they "need" to buy the product. (Children grew to adulthood for years and years before Gerber marketed babyfood.) > to ruining >millions of weekends for young lad's whenever grandmum and Aunty Jean give >up those full body hugs upon each visit. So I'm confused are you for or against deodorant? LOL I think the "problems" we are discussing becomes even more complex, and a future legal issue should smells that one group or the majority find offensive or alluring become illegal to allow to intrude on the senses of others. It seems far-fetched now, but I could see plenty of greedy corporations willing to provide "solutions". I for one cannot stand the smell of vinegar, a substance that most folks find appetizing, in my own domain, my house, neither it nor anything discernibly made with it is allowed. And though it makes me physically ill to smell it, I would never want to encourage public or private establishments to "outlaw" it's use. (OK, I will admit I can't actually eat at a place that smells like vinegar and therefore am discouraging it's viability, nonetheless I try to be as supportive as I can to others.) And yet, isn't a touted benefit for veggie oil powered vehicles that the emissions smell like french fries? I think we cannot discount sensory perception in the question of living sustainably. Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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