Forward this, I think that we recognize it since a very long time back. Sounds exactly like the things we discussed and maybe Robert L. Hirsch is a member of the biofuel list. In that case he made an impression and it is very good that the message comes out, clear and loud.
Hakan >I think Ned Ford won't mind if I pass this on. Has anyone seen this before? >/Ernie Rogers >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:01:06 -0500 >From: Ned Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: An odd, anonymous post > >The following was posted third-hand to another list I read, and the >comments about "this list" have nothing to do with our list or any that >I subscribe to. I have the name of the author, but felt it was not my >place to broadcast it, since he clearly didn't expect these notes to >travel so far. But I thought some of you would find this particularly >interesting. > >- Ned > > > >I'm blown away. > >I attended the speech on the oil peak at the national energy technology >laboratory today and it exceeded my wildest expectations. > >The presentation was given by Robert L. Hirsch who is the senior energy >program advisor for SAIC and who was a senior researcher at Rand along >with a long list of other accomplishments which I cannot remember. I have >three paper copies of his talk but I do not have anything in electronic >form to post here. However, I did take some >notes of sound bites that I thought might interest this group. "Peaking >will be catastrophic, beyond anything I have seen in my career." > >Reports are out that Saudi Arabia has high water cuts in all of its >fields. > >Russia has said that their reserves are the maximum possible that they >could come up with in their calculations. > >"This whole situation (referring to the world energy situation) gives me >the creeps" > >Fuel cells cannot work at this time because major inventions are needed. >People will not drive around in "hydrogen bombs". Note that he was joking >and knows that a hydrogen car blowing up would not be a nuclear reaction. >However, he completely dismissed the hydrogen economy as being impossible >in the foreseeable future. > >"I think coal will be a major answer" > >The Mexicans will want half of the LNG that comes into their import >terminals. > >During questions and answers, someone asked about methane hydrates. His >answer was that with methane hydrates, there is no cap rock so a huge >inverted saucer is needed and no one knows how to make one. > >In referring to the whole energy situation, he said, "we are about to >drive the car over the cliff and say, `Oh my God, What have we done?'" > >I cannot stress enough how shocking this presentation was. It was as >though he had been reading this group for the last 6 months (and perhaps >he has). He mentioned Campbell, Laherrere, and Simmons by name. I will >not say that I agree with everything that he said, but I agreed with >everything that mattered. > >I asked him afterwards if reception to his message had changed and he >replied that he had only started working on this issue six moths ago. I >was also shock by the reception to his message. The audience was full of >DOE people, many of them senior, and they were buying most of what he >said. I even saw a lot of heads visibly nodding at key >points. In short, I have no doubt that the message is out in at least >Pittsburgh and the people are receptive. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >========================================================== >THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THE RENEWABLE ENERGY LIST. >---------------------------------------------------------- >. Please feel free to send your input to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >. Join the list by sending a blank e-mail to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >.. 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