Thankyou MM and all >Thanks NTSL and Craig and bwelch. Looks like some comments worth discussing. >I'm passing on Craig's comments especially to Keith Addison's biofuels list, >which is here: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > >as there may be some further hashing out of this information there.
Hopefully. I haven't looked at this recently so some of the details may be fuzzy, but I think the overall picture should be right. IIRC Europe introduced low-sulphur diesel in the early 90s, in stages. The US will introduce it in 2007 it seems - 15 years later? Why the delay? No apparent technical reason, and even if there were, how could European technology be 15 years ahead of the US? Especially since they're transnationals. One factor is that the oil companies in the US protested that it would cost too much to gear up the refineries. A more recent study found that it wouldn't, what a surprise, and found no technical barriers either. That aside, they've failed to keep up the refineries anyway, they lack overall capacity, as far as I understand it. Whatever, that 15-year gap just isn't acceptable, is it? Along with all the other gaps, which you know of - CAFE standards worse now than 15 years ago, etc etc etc. It would be hard to find a better case for illustrating that all the wrong people are calling all the wrong tunes for all the wrong reasons. >The more we all use the net to stay in touch with each other, the more >transparent we can make this information, even if it gets a bit intricate. Indeed. It baffles me that some people take exception to cross-posting, what nonsense. Sure, you have to be judicious about it, but you have to be judicious with mailing lists anyway, don't you? Nothing wrong with cross-posting, quite the opposite. Please keep going MM, it's helping to build up a clear picture. Best Keith > >MM > >On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:25:17 +0200, you wrote: > > >At 02:19 20.05.2004 +0000, you wrote: > >>Yes, my friend in Germany tells me that the way diesel fuel is > >>processed in Europe allows for low sulphur content and therefore > >>allows for the use of highly efficient catalytic converters that > >>remove the high emissions normally associated with diesels. > >>Too bad we can't get this grade of diesel produced here in the uS. > >>Then perhaps more environmnetally friendly people would consider > >>diesel. > > > >Hi, > > > >I'm new to this list - my first posting. > > > >While you are right that fuel quality is higher in Europe (in France, you > >cannot generally get gasoline below 95 octane - do you still have 87 octane > >in the US?), I would just like to point out that environmentalists do not > >generally like diesel here. Greenpeace has greatly criticised VW for > >producing the Lupo, which gets nearly 100 mpg in a diesel version, and > >produced a spiffed-up Twingo called the Smile as a gasoline version that > >also got at least 100 mpg to prove its point: "3-liter cars" (i.e. cars > >that consume 3 liters of fuel per 100 km, which is how mileage is measured > >here) do not have to be diesels. > > > >The particle filter the French introduced a few years ago reduces diesel > >particle emissions by more than 99%, but German manufacturers refuse to > >install it. They claim it may not be reliable, which they cannot claim > >forever as the things continue to work perfectly. The real reason thus > >seems to be that they don't want to charge customers an extra 150 euros > >that they then have to pass on to the French compeition, who hold >the patent... > > > >Otherwise, diesel drivers here are filling up with biodiesel in the summer > >in growing numbers, when temperatures are warm enough to keep the >stuff fluid. > > > >An expat in Germany, > > > > > >Craig ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
