--- Ken Provost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's > probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. > would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow > asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered > all of Europe would be together in it. > > I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war > with Europe, but what do I know? > > Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative > war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros > instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some > light to shed on Fred's idea...... -K
Please note my following comments refer primarily to the _political_ systems in place, not individuals from each region of the world! I think we can safely say that Europe and America have been at war with each other for a very long time - mainly over trade issues, but in the bigger picture over cultural and environmental issues too. From the European side of the equation, America is seen as acting primarily to exert and maintain its power over the rest of the world through its de facto monopolies and trade policies - which serve only to enrich America even further. America's (i.e. governmental, not individual Americans') attitude to environmental issues (such as the Kyoto protocol) suggest that they don't care about the rest of the world. The fact that America goes its own way in so many areas of technology (mobile phone standards, NTSC vs PAL in TV standards for example) is cited as evidence of protectionist policies that effectively only allow American companies to compete in the particular market sector. The way contracts have been awarded in Iraq following the war has also raised questions about 'jobs for the boys' as the large American companies have ended up winning the contracts, by and large. As far as oil and energy are concerned, here in the UK most people do see 'the Middle East situation' as being largely as a result of America's quest to control the oil reserves, but with Europe also playing their part. If you look at each nation's energy consumption per capita, America uses roughly twice as much as European nations (source: the Economist, I could dig out detailed figures). Other nations generally come much lower, although there are exceptions. This is often considered to be evidence of America's profligacy. Other considerations include the pump price of motor fuel. If crude oil prices double, the percentage increase in pump prices is much higher in America than in Europe, simply because Americans pay vastly less fuel tax than Europeans. So here there is much less of a focus on oil prices than in America, although there are groups who used recent high prices to threaten strike action and the government eventually backed down from a proposed tax increase on fuel. Because Europe is very congested, high fuel prices serve a very important secondary purpose in discouraging people from over-using their cars. If the prices were to drop to American prices, people would be happy for about a day before they realised that everyone was using their cars more and the road system would grind to a total halt. Most would then ask for the prices to go back up! My impression is that individual Americans come up with a vast number of great ideas, but are trapped in a political system that doesn't allow most of them to thrive. Big businesses with vested interests see to it that the government at the time (whether Republican or Democrat) never implement any policies that would upset them. By big business I mean companies like the oil companies, Microsoft, the motor manufacturers, even Coca Cola and McDonalds. The political parties both have too much to lose by upsetting these companies. I'd be interested on the American perspective of the above issues - how do Americans perceive Europeans over the above issues? Regards, Donald ===== -- 43 - slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything. ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/