It seems Mark is too busy to respond, other than to ask me to do her research for her. Anyway, no need, because she's been cross-posting this stuff to the Biodiesel list among others to drum up some support and a fog of confusion from all the trolls there, and one of her little friends there did it for her. Actually at least one of her questions had already been answered in the message she wasn't responding to, and one of the others was wrong:
>1. "quote: Yet I recall your saying onlist that you >certainly didn't know what methanol fumes smelt like, you were much >to safety-conscious." > >I am curious as to the date of this statement (which I remember making). >It's strange that for all the dated quotes from me that you list, this >particular one comes with no date. Please list the exact quote so I don't >have to troll through Yahoo looking for it. I think it was on the >[biodiesel] list. I think you archive everything in your email client >program and I do not, so it shouldnt' take a yahoo search for you to find it. She acknowledges she made the statement, so what does the date matter? It wasn't the only ref I made without attaching the date as she implies, as if it's something sinister, none of the methanol fumes refs were dated, the "Simple 5-gallon processor" argument and so on. The refs to the previous fracas Mark started at the Biodiesel list also weren't dated, and so on. Only the time-line was dated, as it was only there that dates were relevant. Anyway, Mark did manage to find the time finally to respond to one of the trolls she's aroused, Linscott in this case, who's been laying out the bait and the red herrings like there's no tomorrow, all very satisfactory I suppose, but, now that it's built up a head of steam, it seems Mark saw a need to forestall any suggestion this is what she's working for (though she's done it there before, so it can hardly be forestalled). But she didn't do anything about this, from my reponse to her here: >Now you've posted this stuff at the Biodiesel list, and to the >Wastewatts group, and heaven knows where else. Why would that be I >wonder? Trying to cause max damage? Or to drum up support on >dysfunctional lists where all the trolls can have a field day? As >they now are. LOL! Are you to be judged by the "support" you're >getting? You know damn' well Dana Linscott's telling a pack of >malicious lies about the Biofuel list and Journey to Forever, twice >now, are you going to counter him? In the current fracas over there over Mark's cross-postings, Linscott has twice charged that Journey to Forever plagiarises other people's stuff, which says more about Linscott than it does about us, and indeed Mark does know very well it's a malicious lie. But she lets it stand. Well, it doesn't bother us, only a damaging truth could do that, and there aren't any. What's Linscott's case? For two and a half years now Dana Linscott has been pushing a hate war. For instance, he's said all over the place that I kicked him off the Biofuel list because I disagreed with his "views", namely that there should be standards for biodiesel. Keith Addison is anti-standards, LOL! Have a look at this - it's the original message: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/biofuel/11593/1/ Re: EPA?/consider the alternative Something of a different story, hmm? And a nice demonstration of Dana's wondrous ability to confront the facts when they're not going his way. Anyway, that was not what got him the boot. This was, a month later, at long last, by popular demand, and to shouts of applause both on-list and off: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/biofuel/12631/ Dana's been conducting his hate war ever since. "People of the lie" always do that, they'll never forgive anyone who debunks them. Like this especially ugly piece of nastiness: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vegoil-diesel/message/1004 Etc ad infinitum. "People of the lie"? Try this: http://www.amasci.com/maglev/levbill1.html The "Pathological Dishonesty" Disease Nice friends you have, Mark Anyway, we've no need to be bothered here by what goes on at the Biodiesel list, nor any of the others either - well-run groups like Wastewatts won't put up with it, Steve quite rightly put a stop to it there. Of course I'm not about to fall for any of this baiting on the other lists and keep well away. But Mark's tactics are worth examination, or rather they don't bear close examination. In putting a cooler on Linscott, she's raised a little more fog on why she cross-posted his stuff, as a sort of response to the paragraph from my previous response that I quoted above. Here you go: >I crossposted here and to several other lists, the two [biofuel] posts >regarding my repeated requests to Keith that he credit Veggieavenger. >com/media as part of my article, for the following reason: because I >wanted to make sure that those emails to that [biofuel] list were not >censored by Keith or his review tribunal, as had just recently >happened with another email I'd sent to that list (which happened to >be a totally noncontroversial, ontopic one- it was the draft copy of >my essay on the biodiesel industry in the US which I also sent out >here, and another post which was the announcement of my travel >diary/blog that I run at the infopop biodiesel forum). My personal >reasoning was that if my posts went to multiple lists, it would be too >embarrassing for the censor to keep them off the [biofuel] list. - Girl Mark, Fri, 27 Aug 2004, response to Linscott. "Review tribunal", LOL! A further stretching of the truth, and another example of Mark's strange, apparently repetitive, but counter-productive ploy of deliberately misquoting onlist discussions she's had offlist. Obviously this will be countered by posting the offlist correspondence in question, as has happened before, but she goes on doing it anyway. Same way that she keeps thumping the "competition" and "upstaging" barrel, though it keeps backfiring on her. Maybe she doesn't realise how all this stuff gives her away. Here it is: >Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:23:01 +0900 >To: girl Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Fwd: (long-) Why Niche Markets Matter- an essay on >local production > >... It revolved around this: > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36882/ > >It was obvious by then you weren't going to reply to it, yet here >you were posting a new message partly on the same subject, >open-source technology development, ignoring this previous >unattended business both passively and actively - after all it's the >Biofuel list that has actively promoted this concept, and with great >success, but you didn't mention that. Didn't mention the list's >previous work with EPA Registration either, nor with niche markets >and local production issues. And so on. Whereas your previous >message, the one linked above, was little else than an unprovoked >attack, with no basis, no substance, and just plain wrong. > >That's what I've called hit-and-run tactics in the past, and I frown >on it. So do the list administrators. All of them. Attend to >unfinished business first, especially when you've attacked someone. >By the way, the fact that it's me you attacked isn't relevant. In >fact I'd've been much tougher about it if it'd been someone else. >The ones working directly on this also felt that this earlier post >wasn't a bona-fide one anyway. They think it was because of this >yet-earlier message: > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36779/ > >Well, maybe not. But they point out you've done that before. > >There are some other problems about that too. > >Keith So, censorship? It's a funny thing about people who yell about censorship. Linscott does it too, and Tillman. Like the guy who did it here yesterday, who got told this: >What I've said time and time again is that all views are welcome, >but all behaviour is not necessarily welcome. Your behaviour here >right now is not welcome, nor has it been in the past. It's easy to see why these people would want to blur the rather clear-cut distinction between their views and their behaviour. Same as the rather clear-cut distinction between "mentioning" and "promoting" maybe. Those two "hit-and-run" links in my offlist response to Mark above are the same two links I posted in my response to her over this current kerfuffle, which she and her friends are trying so hard to ignore. So I'll post them again now, see next and next. Anyway, why all this whipping up of an all-obscuring fog if not as a smokescreen? Why not just deal with it? From previous: >Straight dealing is always better Mark. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner >Keith, > >I will respond to this this weekend. I'm too busy to work on it until then. > >However,in the meantime, take down my material from journeytoforever, >specifically the article about the "appleseed processor", and the >bubblewashing article I wrote. You no longer have my permission to continue >to publish this material at your website. > >couple more things: >1. "quote: Yet I recall your saying onlist that you >certainly didn't know what methanol fumes smelt like, you were much >to safety-conscious." > >I am curious as to the date of this statement (which I remember making). >It's strange that for all the dated quotes from me that you list, this >particular one comes with no date. Please list the exact quote so I don't >have to troll through Yahoo looking for it. I think it was on the >[biodiesel] list. I think you archive everything in your email client >program and I do not, so it shouldnt' take a yahoo search for you to find it. > >2. what is the date of your first public loading of the appleseed processor >article? Not the version with the how-to use instructions, but the >initial one? > >Mark > > > >At 05:58 PM 8/25/2004 +0000, you wrote: > >--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >I'm reversing the order of messages here, so that it is obvious to > >everyone > > >what I"m talking about in my reply. so the latest is at the bottom... > > > > > >Mark > > > >Something else that's generally accepted as good Netiquette and is <snip> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! 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