Keith,

That is true, but as I understand the official commitment and position from Australia, they would sign a Kyoto based on per capita. If their official promises and promises are worth anything, they will meet Kyoto on a per capita basis and probably on total as well.

Well, we'll have to wait and see. What's been happening there with ethanol and biodiesel aren't very encouraging, but I don't want to presume the worst.

It is by the way not that difficult, since we are looking on 1992 and it is very feasible to meet Kyoto on that. Thanks for the more exact numbers for Australia. If you could look at your source the area in km2 and population per km2, would be interesting numbers also.

Yes, but I didn't want to go that far in making those comparisons of energy use. I think the eco-footprinting sites should have that information. There was one in Hoagy's post on resource consumption:

Global Footprint Network
http://www.footprintnetwork.org

There are more here:

http://journeytoforever.org/edu_footprint.html
Eco-footprint

These should have it too:

US Energy Information Administration
http://www.eia.doe.gov/

CIA World Factbook
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

Best wishes

Keith


Hakan

At 03:05 PM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
Autralia is the world's largest coal exporter. Also, their energy consumption and carbon emissions are second only to the US on a per capita basis.

Australia

Population: 19.2 million (0.32% of world total)
Per Capita Gross Domestic Product (GDP): $19,796
Total Energy Consumption: 4.7 quadrillion Btu (1.2% of world total)
Per Capita Energy Consumption: 249.8 million Btu
Per Capita Carbon Emissions: 4.9 metric tons of carbon
Number of People per Motor Vehicle: 1.7

USA

Population: 276 million (4.6% of world total)
Per Capita Gross Domestic Product (GDP): $38,043
Total Energy Consumption: 98.8 quadrillion Btu (25% of world total)
Per Capita Energy Consumption: 355.9 million Btu
Per Capita Carbon Emissions: 5.5 metric tons of carbon
Number of People per Motor Vehicle: 1.3

From: World energy use
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse

Australia's eco-footprint is the fourth largest, after the UAE, the US and Kuwait.

Best wishes

Keith



I can understand and support the position of Australia on Kyoto, but it is probably one of a handful of countries were I can do that. They will do their utmost to reduce greenhouse gases, but will not commit to Kyoto.

Australia is often and especially by the Americans, as a nation that is comparable to US. The reason for this is Australia's huge land mass, but reality is that they relative to the land mass have a very small population and it is more to compare with The Netherlands or Scandinavia. Australia is far from comparable to US.

Australia need immigration and growth, which can change their situation very fast. Kyoto have no exemption rules for the population growth that they need and is therefore not a very good agreement for Australia. This even if Australia is committed to do what all what are needed and more, to control the greenhouse gases and commit to the spirit of Kyoto.

US is often referring to Australia for support of the US position, but this is done for propaganda reasons and not based on realities. US administration find it usable, to maintain and utilize the often ignorant conception that Americans have about Australia.

Hakan


At 12:20 PM 10/22/2004, you wrote:
Australia govt adamant it will not approve Kyoto
By Michelle Nichols
Source: Reuters
22 Oct 2004
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/SYD74748.htm

CANBERRA, Oct 22 (Reuters) - As Russia prepares to vote to ratify
the Kyoto protocol and allow the global climate change pact to come
into force, Australia's conservative government remained adamant on
Friday it would not approve the treaty.

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