BRAZIL AND WORLD SOCIAL FORUM Thank you very much for Keith for bringing here the important event in south as only the north of the world alwayes get importance .
Important scientific personalities such as Da Silva ,Mukul Sharma, Several political leaders such as Lula of Brazil , several economic leaders who are devoted and dedicated their life to poor from all over the world are coming together in WSF,world social forum. Keith , this is very good news to know that this event has unexpectedly become a global political and social phenomenon and will be going to spread all the parts of the world as this an real globalization of the wealth for all. The feeling here in Brazil is really looking for the new model of economic , truly challenging US , showing another type of economic model in future political one not the left , or right but the green party We ,Brazilian feel that we can produce enough diesel and food for the most part of the world as we have the largest lands that can be cultivated are in the south , not in the north of G8 , but with G3, the India , Africa and Brazil as the rich sorce of biocombustivel and food for the world. Hence these G3 together is real threat not only the US but also the G8.What is going to be economic war based on the fuel.As G8 will always divide and rule G3, the WSF has the great green future not make the war , but make peace for poor Instead of super market oriented marketing and distribution , what we need is an Ruralization of urban areas in G3 with distributed energy and food based on biofuel The real threat for us in the south is the war , which only the senators and political people of the US , spending huge amount of money promote in the name of threat of fuel and food . Surely the group members of our list need to unite all of the world and make WSF , world social forum, a success. The people who has no food has the same right to destroy the world , not his home as we all are globally linked. Sorry for not posting for the las 2 monts from here , as we had serious virus problems with our computers due to the use of Internet browser monopolised as the only one in the world The thin posting here, as Keith pointed out , I feel is lack of main subject thread for debate and discussion such as biogas ethanol form biomass, Diesel from wastes. etc We need to depend posts on tecnical subjects and new informations. For example,some thread for debate are: The best way to make methane from solid wates, which are complex subject that need integration of two process composting with bioconversion of methane . But conventional composting will not do the job , then enzymatic one is not practical on as Keith used point out the lab to internationall articall only.What is the best way? We also need here new information flow here ,as our list members are really sleeping. In our recent research study in internet that 7 kW flexivel methane gas ,gasoline power cost is very low as 250 US dollars or 800 Brazilian reais.The cheap gasline motor or costlier diesel generator.Which is the best way. We need technical people knowlege brought here in this as this can make debate more useful. Thus inovations in electrical generations dc e ac can make the small cogeneration project with low cost biogas and pre heated used vegetable oil can be made possivel in a small scale.Yet this subject need our list members debate .This can be real way to make small power gweneration for the people , by the people to the people .Let us all make the posting not as thin , but make it as big as possible as we have the big foundation made it possssible. We need the corect attuide , the foundation made very strong will surely become much more in the coming days sd Pannir selvam P.V Brazil On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:32:31 +0900, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1398409,00.html > Guardian Unlimited | The Guardian | > > Global poverty targeted as 100,000 gather in Brazil > > Activists join presidents as annual World Social Forum gets under way > in Porto Alegre > > John Vidal in Porto Alegre > Wednesday January 26, 2005 > The Guardian > > Elvis, Betu and Renatu live in a rubbish dump. Every day the > teenagers take out their wire pushcarts, collect the waste of the > southern Brazilian city of Porto Alegre and bring it back to the > illegal slum of Chocolatado to sort and then sell on. > > It's a grim place, made of reclaimed tarpaulins, waste timber, old > plastic and metal. None of the shacks have running water or toilets, > and most of them are deep in litter. > > This, then, is the ideal backdrop for the launch today of the World > Social Forum, which meets annually to discuss issues affecting > developing countries. > > Begun five years ago specifically to counter the annual meeting of > world business and political leaders in Davos, Switzerland, it has > unexpectedly become a global political and social phenomenon. > > More than 100,000 activists will be in Porto Alegre this year. They > will be joined by two presidents, several Nobel peace and literature > prizewinners, the world's leading international non-government > groups, healthworkers, MPs, educators, unions, students, the > landless, indigenous peoples, intellectuals, environmentalists and > dissident economists. > > "It's not perfect, but it is the most tangible global rejection of > the neo-liberal globalisation policies of the US and G8 countries," > said Ricardo Jimenez, a Uruguyan doctor. > > "But it needs to be seen in context. More than 1 billion people in > developing countries live in slums; 800 million go hungry every day; > 27 million adults are slaves; 245 million children have to work. The > poor are everywhere still getting poorer, the cities are > disintegrating and bankrupt. It is a response to a global scandal." > > In other years there has been a video linkup between Davos and Porto > Alegre, but this year the two worlds will stand further apart than > ever, with no formal contact beyond accusations and petitions sent > from Brazil. > > "Developing countries now owe $1.6 trillion [860bn]. In 2004 they > transferred $300bn to rich countries," said Eric Toussaint, chair of > the Committee for the Abolition of Third World Debt. "Yet we can say > that the people of the third world are creditors. They have already > paid their debts many times over." > > The highlights of the forum will be the flying visit of the populist > Brazilian president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, and President Hugo > Chvez of Venezuela. Both will address 30,000 people in Porto > Alegre's main stadium, but the reception given to the two most > charismatic South American leaders could be very different. > > Mr Da Silva is still popular but there is growing impatience at the > slow speed of the radical reforms expected. > > According to many at the forum, Mr Chvez is increasingly the person > to whom the continent looks for significant change. Significantly, Mr > Da Silva will fly on to Davos for talks with world leaders after his > Porto Alegre appearance, while Mr Chavez is expected to spend time in > an encampment of the Brazilian landless. > > But people are still upbeat. "Analysts are talking of a new South > America. There is a sense that this is the only con tinent now > challenging the US," said Martin Fernandes, a Brazilian doctor. > > "There are now leftist presidents in Venezuela, Brazil and Argentina, > as well as in Uruguay and Ecuador ... We have a sense that change is > possible." > > The forum has been criticised in the past for not including > marginalised peoples. But this year it has invited some of the > poorest in the world, including dalits (untouchables) from Nepal, > Bangladesh, India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, former slave communities > from Brazil, and more than 100 tribes of Brazilian Indians. > > It may also be the last forum for several years in Porto Alegre. > "There has been a very strong proposal that, instead of one single > event, the forum next year will take place simultaneously in six > cities on six continents, with smaller events in many towns," said an > international committee member, Mukul Sharma. > > "It would signal that the WSF is expanding and becoming a global > force. It is also highly probable that in 2007 it will go to Africa > for the first time." > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. 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