Hi Martin and Keith,
I agree with what Juan says. From the technical side, the list has been working as well, if not better, than Yahoo, and I belive that any perceived problems from your side have their roots in other causes. The main problem is maybe the one that I voiced before the move, combined with the very exhausting work that Keith put into this list. If it is of interest, I can elaborate on it, but I will maybe recommend to move the list back to Yahoo, for marketing and exposure reasons, not technical. As a list user and visitor to JTF, I have not noticed any major technical disasters. Whatever happened, you both have solved it, probably by working hard. If this causes feelings of irritation is natural. I do not really agree with that Martin make it public on the list, other than if it is a joint decision and that it is aimed to find some sort of positive solutions. It can be a very destructive action and Keith do not deserve this. Hakan At 01:55 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote:
Hello Martin. I only noticed a diminish on the frecuency that the posts reaches my mail box during this month compared to last year or from the Yahoo server, since I receive mails from more than 3 years ago at the begining with Yahoo, I try to cacht up most of the time with the amount of mail and I do not feel very different since I do not read the mail directly conected to Yahoo or any web site in Internet but it is on our own mail server that delivers to my destop computer all working hours. I consider Yahoo's service was worse because if our server was down for a while, Yahoo did not send any mail form the group until I sent them a blanck message to reactivate the service, I did loose many days of valuable mail due to lighting and thunderstorms here with this Yahoo feature that worked slowly, I do not have that kind of inconvenience now. Martin, your work if very valuable to me, many updates I can read in so many related fields thanks to the willingness to share knowlege of fellow list members in this remote location on earth like in the countryside of Paraguay where is not easy to surf Internet at 1 - 3 KB/s or to get updated magazines and books that makes me feel not so isolated. Best Regards. Juan Boveda Pilar - Paraguay South America -----Mensaje original----- From: Martin Klingensmith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mo. 21/03/05 11:19 PM For: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I "did what I could with what I had at my disposal" (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K
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