Hi All, I really don´t care much for this so I´ll keep it quick. I agree with your comments Bob. Folks who don´t understand DNA well have great difficulty with this evolution stuff. There have also been many religious frauds, with the "Shroud of Turin" coming immediately to mind. I´m not an agnostic. If anything I think folks should have an even larger idea of God rather than a small simplistic one. I mean where did the energy for the Big Bang come from anyway? It was large enough to spread the entire universe out from something extremely small and yet spawned fusion reactions in stars. Last I read, fusion reactions are the most powerful reactions we´ve actually seen. So at some point there had to be a "Power" greater than a fusion reaction. Call that whatever you will. It´s difficult for me to look into the night sky, see the beauty, and not believe there´s something else greater than mankind.
Humbly, Tom Irwin -----Original Message----- From: bob allen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/04/05 17:57 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Lutec over unity device Tim Brodie wrote: > I'm always interested that people use the *Theory* of Evolution as > an example of Science. At best you could call it an hypothesis, > since to be science a theory must be observable and repeatable. things like phyolgenetic relationships, as indicated via the similarity of the dna of the genome are certainly observable and repeatable > > As I've looked into this idea of evolution, what I've found is alot > of conjecture and interdisciplinary circular reasoning. Stories > that constantly change. Comets this year, asteriods last year, > volcanoes the year before. If you are talking about the mass extinctions which have occured from time to time over a hundreds of millions of years, then different extinctions have been discussed in the context of different events. Nothing here contradicts the simple notion that the diversity of life we see is due to random mutations selected for by various forces. > > "These fossils are x-millions of years old" say the *biologists* > "because they're found in rock x-millions of years old." "These rocks > are x-millions of years old" say the *archiologists* "because these > fossils are in them, and we know that these animals lived x-millions of > years ago." Actually, there are a whole bunch of methods for dating. In addition to stragraphy, there are numerous radioactive decay series, with overlapping half-lives, archeomagnetic dating which utilizes the meandreings of the magnetic poles, obsidian hydration, fission track, amino acid racemization, and on and on. There is no circular reasoning here. the methods are essentially indipendently verifiabe, and a ages determined from first principles. > > Look, an unobserved series of historical events happened. No > transitional species have ever been found (notwithstanding several > publications' attempts to present them from time to time) that > has stood up to scrutiny. what? just in terms of human evolution, australopithecenes evolutionarily precede "homo" genera. Within Homo, are a series of species such as erectus, habilis, and on and on. And if you look at the dna the relationships are overwellminingly obvious. There is a gradual change in the dna as you move across the spectrum of life. My dna is more like a chimpanzee's than the chimpanzee's is like a gorilla's. Put another way, the dna of a sea squirt is more like mine than it is to a salmonella bacteria. One must really try hard to not see the relationships among life. Remember whole hominid skulls fashioned > from one pig's tooth? No? That's because it isn't of general > interest to the evolutionary *scientists*, and thus we still find > Piltdown stories being published in children's 'science' textbooks. so frauds have occured. they don't negate the theory. > > Evolution is not science, it's a worldview that fits a set of > religious beliefs and as such is really only a religious > precursor. Certainly not science. criminently, there is nothing religious about recognizing that the easiest way to explain biological diversity is random mutations and selective pressure to create what we have in the world around us. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob "Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves" — Richard Feynman --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
