Your welcome Keith and I think I
 understand what you've said {further
 below} and to me it seems to coincide
 to some extent with these news items
 mentioned by others here before which 
 utilizes organic farming methods and
 locally produced renewable energy. 

 Organic farming points way to
 reducing rural poverty, UN says
 United Nations International Fund for
 Agricultural Development (IFAD)
 25 January 2005 
 http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=13122&Cr=farm&Cr1 
 http://www.ifad.org/media/press/2005/3.htm 
 
 Bioenergy, key to the fight against hunger
 United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
 14 April 2005
 http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2005/101397/index.html 


> Keith Addison wrote:
> Hi Hoagy
> 
> Thanks for this.

> > "Brazil, as the biggest and most advanced producer of
> > BioEthanol, has already shown the world how to produce
> > large volumes of ethanol, without any subsidies,
> > at a lower cost than the world market price of gasoline."
> >
> > "In a comprehensive 2004 study,
> > the International Energy Agency,
> > an OECD organization, estimates there is enough
> > global resource of biomass for biofuels such as
> > ethanol to meet two thirds of the world's current
> > energy needs for transport."

> I think not. Energy needs vs soil needs, and the soil will lose, as
> it's losing now. It's possible to do this well and both produce high
> yields of biofuels and attend to the needs of the soil which demand
> that sufficient crop wastes be returned for fertility (humus)
> maintenance. But it's most unlikely that's what would happen,
> especially when it's being looked at by energy interests. Much more
> likely the main thrust of it would be the same old usual -
> industrialised monocropping, heavily dependent on fossil-fuel inputs
> (which the biofuels are supposed to be replacing, not helping to
> deplete) and environmentally devastating. This type of "farming"
> probably has less of a future than gas-guzzling does, but Big Central
> always sees it as the solution, very strange.
> 
> As Pannirselvam and others have said, Brazil's ethanol industry is a
> mix of larger, more industrialised projects with small-scale projects
> that can be sustainable and often are. I wouldn't bet on an OECD
> organisation trying to follow that model.
> 
> It's the wrong question anyway - meeting the world's current energy
> needs for transport is not an option, fossil-fuels or not.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Keith


> > Saab Backs Ethanol As Next-Step Towards Sustainable Mobility
> > 2005/4/20
> > http://www.autospectator.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1191
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