Mike,
John is pointing out something important, if you take Keith suggestions to
follow up on discussions on this list during the last 2 years, you will
learn a lot from them about the depletion issues and the real situation.
I think that the members of this list have a strong feeling of that it is
their forum and if you want "their list". It is the first time I have seen
a suggestion that it would be "Keith list". He is a extremely good
moderator, who work very hard on making discussions worth while, by
pointing the participants to sources of information and knowledge.
The article you referred and similar views have been discussed many times,
even if it rapidly becomes obvious with a little bit of common sense, how,
as John says, Mad Max influenced it is. You take away 80% of the base of
the story by pointing out that US only have 4% of the world population. US
might have an enormous fire power to destroy and kill, but nearly no
resources to occupy and control. The latter is what is necessary to make
any material gains from the fire power.
A democratic world would actually be a contradiction to the best interest
of US, who in the past had better control by supporting right wing
dictatorships. A much welcomed misunderstanding by Bush, who is set on
dismantling the web of US created right wing governments over the last 50
years, no wonder that he actually belive that the "French have no word for
entrepreneur". LOL (I was laughing for at least half an hour when I heard
that and many times I have repeated attacks only thinking about it) This
talents goes in the family , they would have a great future as stand up
comedians. I was thinking of that GWB's brother Jeb said, when visiting
Spain, that he was delighted to be in the Republic of Spain. This even
despite that the King of Spain was one of those who welcomed him.
Hakan
At 02:45 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote:
Thomas Malthus called. He points out that he already predicted production
would fail to keep pace with demand...
...back in 1798.
Seriously, even if cheap oil runs out, we are not heading toward some
Malthusian crisis, because end of the world types since Malthus have
ignored that ability of human beings to innovate when faced with an
incentive to do so.
The earth is not a closed system energywise - the sun pumps a metric
assload of energy into the system every single day. As long as we can
figure out an energy source that is net positive, we'll be fine. And guess
what, both ethanol and biodiesel are net postive. Here's a novel idea -
we'll run the tractors to harvest the crops on the biodiesel we make with
the crops.
Anyway, will the shift away from cheap fossil fuels cause economic
disruption? Certainly. But we aren't all heading toward a Mad Max-esque
dystopia where we fight over cans of dog food either.
And just for the record, it isn't "Keith's list to decide what's
important, or not..."
Rather, your post was poorly received because we've because we've dealt
with this meretricious crap before, hence Keith's pointer to the archive.
Specifically, both the issue of ethanol energy balance and arable land
have been repeatedly addressed on the list. Yet, sites like after the oil
crash continue their worthless scaremongering.
jh
mike wrote:
I only posted this one because it's a somewhat different perspective than
what
you have posted in your resources section, especially if you take the effort
to read the 2nd page. It's a lot more realistic, but if that bores you that's
OK too. It's your list; you decide what's important, or not...
m--
mike wrote:
A very engaging and sobering evaluation of the inevitable future we
must come
to grips with very soon.
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net
Life After the Oil Crash
"Deal with Reality, or Reality will Deal with You"
Too true, the last bit. Otherwise... yawn. Yawn on two counts: for
the book itself, and because we've had it all before, a couple of
times. Eg.:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/41284/1
Re: [Biofuel] Peak Oil & Cosmic Questions
No harm in posting it again, but:
List resources
Please make use of the resources listed at the Biofuel list home page:
http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel
Especially the searchable list archives:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
The archives contains more than 38,000 [45,000 now] messages over
nearly five years. The question you want to ask or the topic you're
interested in has probably already been covered. That's no reason
not to ask it again, but if you know what's gone before you'll ask a
better question and get better answers.
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