Hi Keith,
Gregg Davidson's definition of the basics - It is possible to make biodiesel from WVO. Folks have made it many times all over the world. I did notice a few irregularities in the show:
1.) No mention was ever made about heating the WVO at all. One would think the reaction will occur at room temp. Not so.
2.) Methanol was used to titrate the oil. ???
3.) "You have the option to wash your fuel". BS!!!! IMO, washing is NOT an option, it IS a must. You don't want to ruin the engine of your diesel vehicle, do you???
I don't recall anything else that struck me as odd. I'll try to watch the tape to make sure.
Respectfully,
Gregg, graciously stepping down from my soap box.
Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Mel
>I am not sure if it was junk.
Did you read the link? Here it is again:
> See (please do!):
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg35652.html
> Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
>
> "You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons
> of high-quality biodiesel for that price."
That thing won't make any gallons of high-quality biodiesel at
whatever price. It's a snare and a delusion to lead newbies astray
and empty their pockets. The online biodiesel "commmunity" is pretty
fractious but with the exception of Rudi and Joshua there's
widespread agreement that the FuelMeister's a major no-no.
>It seemdd to work and the titration charts and examples they had
>seemd clear and easy. Even had a water wash option.
Even? An option? For more than $3,000? Yet they advise against
washing, say it's bad for the motor, LOL! But if you really, really,
want to wash it anyway you can pay a whole lot more for the washing
option. And if you really, really, want to heat the stuff although
room-temperature's recommended, more LOLs, you can pay a whole lot
more again for a half-assed heating set-up. They claim that a
breathing mask will protect you from methanol fumes, etc etc. Dark
ages.
>Whether fule meister is worth the 3000
Plus - plus much of you want the complete catastrophe.
>they are advertising it for or whether someone would be more
>interested in the old water heater batch processor,
There are more and better options than either of those.
>it DID present BioDiesel in a good light and will spur the
>imagination of millions of diesel truck owners and that can't be a
>bad thing.
If they go and buy FuelMeisters it will be a bad thing, IMHO.
Poor-quality, overpriced equipment that comes with even worse
instructions and makes poor-quality biodiesel is not a good thing,
especially not when doing it right is so easy.
>I agree with Gregg, the Show was an A for clarity and clear presentation.
But of what? You can highlight a dogturd with clarity and clear
presentation. Now they've sown the idea that you don't need to heat
it, much easier! There'll be resistance to the fact that you DO need
to heat it after all. It said on television you don't need to heat
it, that's that.
It is possible to make high-quality biodiesel at room temperature,
but it needs special techniques and more skill than a newbiew trucker
misled by his TV is going to be able to muster. Using a FuelMeister
at room temperature he won't have much hope of getting within
spitting distance of completion. How much of a good thing will he
think it is when all those glycs and other impurities that shouldn't
be there wreck his injector pump? But it said on television...
>Wheter the fuel meister is worth or not depends on how mechanically
>inclined you are.
If it won't do the job right it's not worth it no matter how many
thumbs you have.
>Most viewers of trucks are wrenchers that make their own stuff and
>if they can go to Journey to forever and learn how to make the same
>thing
Why would they do that? They've been told all they need is a FuelMeister.
>for less than 1000 USD
Or less than 100 (ours).
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html
Journey to Forever 90-litre processor
There's a message in the archives estimating what it would cost if
you bought the parts yourself and made your own FuelMeister, not that
that's a good idea, but it came down to a fraction of what Rudi
charges, or overcharges.
Put a cone bottom on a 55-gallon drum, put in a couple of immersion
heaters and some plumbing, use a good strong pump or a paddle
stirrer, if it doesn't have a cinch-clamp lid make one out of wood
and plastic underneath, sealed with silicon and held tight with
toggle-latches; another drum with a stirrer for washing; another one
with a burner underneath for pre-heating, dead easy, good brew, and
what will it cost? Not very much.
Oh well.
Best wishes
Keith
>then maybe they will.
>
>I wish I had taped as well.
>
>Hey Gregg can you make a Mini-DV tape or DVD? I would pay you
>something for digital files of the show.
>
>mel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed 6/15/2005 9:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] BioDiesel on Spike TeeVee Trucks show
>
>
>
> Hi Gregg, Mel
>
> >Hi Mel,
> >
> >I saw too. I also taped it for future reference. I did notice one
> >thing that Stacey failed to mention: Heating the oil.
>
> Funny how they fail to mention that.
>
> >I know that it's possible to make biodiesel in a blender from virgin
> >oil, but the stuff he was using looked as though it had "been around
> >the block" at least once. I'll give the show an "A" for giving the
> >basics. I've not had any experience with the Fuel Meister, but I
> >have read some things online that aren't flattering.
>
> It's junk. The "instructions" (destructions?) that come with it are
> also junk - "back to
> the Dark Ages!", as some have said.
>
> See (please do!):
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg35652.html
> Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
>
> "You could make an excellent processor plus more than 8,000 gallons
> of high-quality biodiesel for that price."
>
> If dear old Rudi would only put anything like the effort he puts into
> promotion into making a half-decent bit of gear to promote... Don't
> hold yer breath.
>
> >Sincerely,
> >Gregg Davidson
> >
> >
> >Mel Riser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >Just saw the Fuel Meister on Trucks!
>
> And they didn't drive it into the sea? Pity.
>
> >They made a batch of BioDiesel and then put it in the truck
>and ran it.
> >
> >Pretty good show
> >
> >Now every Truck freak in the US will know about this.
>
> Sounds like the notorious BBC Top Gear show of a few years back -
> just add a teaspoon of turpentine and you can run your car on veggie
> oil. Not! But a lot of people believed it, and probably still do. A
> lot of them wrote to us, very boring! Now we're getting truckies
> doing the same thing. "... if this fuel works as well as the "trucks"
> segment said..." :-(
>
> >My dad called me last week and some of his buddies in Louisiana (
> >where I'm from) are talking BioDiesel and grease cars.
>
> Well set him right, eh, Mel? Build your own!
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html
> Biodiesel processors
>
> And then just do it right:
> "Where do I start?"
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start
>
> Best wishes
>
> Keith
>
> >mel
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