Hello Lamar
thanks for answering Todd's question. But after making Biodiesel lab-style
numerous times with several feed stocks, I'm at an absolute loss as to how
any of this could possibly cost a million dollars. Physically separating
water, washing and drying tanks, numerous pumps and smaller tanks with some
heat exchangers-seems like a 4,000 gallon reactor ought to make 10,000
gallons a week. Put several batch reactors together linearly and it sounds
continuous. Are the permits and regulations what cost so much? I've heard
no question is stupid but I'm feeling it! Lamar
Not stupid. Todd Swearingen of Appal Energy has posted information on
how an 833 gallon-per-day batch reactor can be scaled up to similar
capacities.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html
833 Gallon Batch Plant
With the prices Todd Wootton has been quoted he should be getting
something considerably more. As Camillo said, that's for a plant with
12 times the capacity Todd is planning. Energea's plant is advanced
high-tech stuff, as Ray notes. From what little I know of it there
are no mixing tanks as such, lots of ball-bearings instead, with
everything reduced to thin films rather than batches. Or maybe
they're not ball-bearings, but balls anyway, perhaps in some sort of
fluidised bed arrangement. This sort of gear is different to what we
do in our back yards. And that's what it costs.
Best wishes
Keith
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Commercial Biodiesel
Hello Todd
>I am seriously working on developing a commercial large scale bio
>diesel plant and am at the very early stages. at this point I am
>sourcing large scale biodiesel systems. I need your help-Is one
>system better than amnother? ie. Cost , output, system config etc.
>I am lookign for the overall best company that offers a great price
>and a good product. I am looking at a minimum output of 5 million
>gallons per year. i have sourced two companies so far-continuous
>flow batch systems and one company is asking $5 million and the
>other is asking $1.5 Million-a huge difference and I am now looking
>for help from all members. Recommendations? Can I set up my own
>plant of this scale that could meet all government standards for
>much less?
>Todd Wootton
These are the best systems, by all accounts:
ENERGEA -- The next generation of biodiesel technology -- CTER
"Continuous Trans Esterification Reactor" technology opens a new
chapter in biodiesel production: up to 50% lower cost of investment,
turn-key modules the size of a container, multi-feed-stock
technology, production capacity 5000 to 100,000 mt/a or more, high
quality fuel according to EN 14214 standard. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.energea.at/
Biodiesel Technologies GmbH, Vienna, Austria -- Compact biodiesel
manufacturing plants installed in a 20-ft container frame, ready to
operate, multi-feedstock re-esterification, with final conditioning
of biodiesel. Product range: CPU and FRU unit (with 500 and 1000
litres per hour capacity) and IPU 1200 unit (with 1200 litres per
hour capacity). Contact: Dr. L. Kondor, Marketing Director, 1130
Vienna, Austria, Hietzinger Hauptstrasse 50. tel. + 43 1 877 0553,
fax: + 43 1 877 8446, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.biodieseltechnologies.com
BioDiesel International of Austria uses re-esterification in its
multi-feedstock production system to handle fresh plant oils and/or
waste cooking oils and/or animal fats and/or animal fats and fatty
acids (as much as 20%), with no loss of free fatty acids, 0% wastes,
0% waste water and no disposal costs, resulting in pure biodiesel
plus glycerine (for use in the chemical and pharmaceutical
industries) plus a solid fertilizer for agricultural use (potassium
phosphate). Yield is 100%: 1 kg of raw material makes 1 kg of
high-quality biodiesel.
http://www.biodiesel-intl.com
All Austrian. Austria has been way out in front with biodiesel for 25
years. Your scheme might be a bit small though. Camillo Holecek of
ENERGEA told me it's not economically viable for plants with capacity
lower than about 20,000 metric tonnes a year, which is about 60
million US gallons. Still, why not ask?
Best wishes
Keith
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