And what can you do with the "broken soap" ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole
----- Original Message ----- From: "Appal Energy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly > Derick, > > Still, treat a small sample with concentrated sufuric or phosphoric acid > and observe. > > Todd Swearingen > > > DERICK GIORCHINO wrote: > > >Thanks for the response. I feel that I may not have explained that there > >isn't a layer it's almost a solid mass. It is about 95 deg f outside and if > >I turn the soda bottle on its side it slides inside the bottle as one lump > >retaining the shape of the bottom of the bottle. If I shake it hard it does > >brake up somewhat. Kind of like when the old super ball was broken. > >I feel that I now have super glop. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy > >Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 5:51 PM > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] RE: jelly > > > > > > > >>But is the jelly a typical sign of over dosing? > >>I have a problem with disposing of the mess I > >>have made if there is a way to salvage it. > >> > >> > > > >Take a small sample and see how much concentrated sulfuric or phosphoric > >acid it takes to crack the soap portion of the top jelly layer. > > > >This is the same thing that is done with the glyc cocktail to recover the > >free fatty acids. > > > >Todd Swearingen > > > > > > > > > >DERICK GIORCHINO wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi Keith More > >>Thanks for you response. > >>I tried the world famous chop stick titration technique. Wow what a > >>difference in my titration #. > >>I did a 1 ltr test in a soda bottle, with excellent result almost > >> > >> > >instantly. > > > > > >>But here is where I got into trouble. > >>The next batch was 20 liters I had some methoxide mixed from a prior batch > >>that was also a failure and I couldn't figure what to do with the toxic mix > >>so I tried to dilute it to 10 g.p. liter. I did my mixing of the 20 liters. > >>As it cooled it turned into what looks like lard. I felt that I may have > >>overdosed it. So I then took some test bottles and put 20% failure oil and > >>75% fresh wvo set it in the sun to melt/ liquefy. (105 deg F) shook it hard > >>also a 50/50 mix in the hot state it seamed to separate better 25/75 than > >>the 50/50 but as the sun went down and it cooled the 25/75 started to jell > >>and the glycerol layer vanished but the 50/50 looked much better with a > >>glycerol layer jelled at the bottom. I m not asking for a fix. But is the > >>jelly a typical sign of over dosing? I have a problem with disposing of the > >>mess I have made if there is a way to salvage it. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:58 PM > >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>Subject: RE: [Biofuel] RE: Phenolphthalein solution > >> > >>Hi Derick > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>May be there is some help for me out there. I have made lots and lots of > >>>test batches. Most of them bad not good. One border line. And one 15 gal > >>>batch with fairly good results. I have used all the options given for > >>>titration in the J.T. Forever. Test strips work > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>... poorly, if at all, and are not recommended by JtF. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>but after introducing it to > >>>the mix I find if I need to add more solution the color will not change so > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>I > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>need to add strip after strip as I add the solution accuracy is probably > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>off > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>by the time I get done P.H. meter a good one I found to be about the same > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>pH meters work well, especially if it's a good one, you shouldn't be > >>having problems. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>and I have used phenolphthalein and get excellent response but im no > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>chemist > >> > >>Very few of us are. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>can anyone tell me how much phenolphthalein to use on the test I have been > >>>using 2 drops @ 1% phenolphthalein. The instructions from J.T.F say "use > >>> > >>> > >1% > > > > > >>>phenolphthalein solution (1.0w/v%). If you can please help. Thanks Derick > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>You say: "The instructions from J.T.F say "use 1% phenolphthalein > >>solution (1.0w/v%)." > >> > >>The instructions at JtF say: "Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution." > >> > >>"Dissolve 1 gm of lye in 1 litre of distilled water (0.1% w/v lye > >>solution). In a smaller beaker, dissolve 1 ml of the cooled oil in 10 > >>ml of pure isopropyl alcohol. Warm the beaker gently by standing it > >>in some hot water, stir until all the oil dissolves in the alcohol > >>and turns clear. Add 2 drops of phenolphthalein solution. Using a > >>graduated syringe, add 0.1% lye solution drop by drop to the > >>oil-alcohol-phenolphthalein solution, stirring all the time, until > >>the solution starts to turn pink and stays that way for 10 seconds." > >> > >>-- From: Biodiesel from waste oil > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#biodwvo > >> > >>See also: > >> > >>More about lye > >>How much lye to use? > >>Basic titration > >>Better titration > >>Accurate measurements > >>pH meters > >>Phenolphthalein > >>pH meters vs phenolphthalein > >> > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#lye > >> > >>Are your scales, measuring equipment and measuring techniques up to > >> > >> > >scratch? > > > > > >>Best wishes > >> > >>Keith > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Probst, Peter > >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:44 AM > >>>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>>Subject: [Biofuel] RE: Phenolphthalein solution > >>> > >>>Thanks to all who provided sources and altarnatives for the > >>>phenolphthalein! Now I can start using the 75+ gallons of WVO that's been > >>>sitting around my garage. > >>>Pete > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >>messages): > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Biofuel mailing list > >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >> > >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >> > >> > >messages): > > > > > >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
