I think they live below sea-level in the Netherlands too? People have to live somewhere. We do the best we can with the tools we have. OK, back to finding energy....
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TarynToo Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:12 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame? Hi, Juan and Greg On Aug 31, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Juan Gutierrez wrote: > People, were there first and form there own local governments before > the feds showed up. > besides aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves or do you > want the feds or corporate bigwigs telling you where you should live. > I live in South Florida also where is this High(ish) ground you speak > of its all swamps west of Miami. > And Greg wrote: > I'll disagree with one point, that the government was responsible for > all > the problems. > > I believe it's the folks of New Orleans, that started the canals and > drainage ditches ( and allowed the city exist to the point that it > became an > important enough port to cause congress to pass the various act's and > laws > that accelerated city's sinking to it's present level ), should carry > the > larger burden of guilt. I'm sorry if you thought I was speaking only of the feds. When I said governments did this or that, I was speaking of all levels of government, including the first settlers of Louisiana, who started public works to drain and protect the city. Once a family has lived in the same vulnerable place for a few generations, are the grandkids culpable for the parents mistakes? If a family moves to Louisiana because that's where they can make a decent living and try to improve their circumstances, they're trapped in Hobson's choice, <http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/12/23.html>, can we so blithely say "aren't people ultimately responsible for themselves?" Regarding high ground in SE Florida, The ridge line (such as it is) that the Florida East Coast Railroad runs along is generally the highest ground south of Orlando. I'm about a kilometer west of it, about 3 meters above sea level. The major factors that led me to this house were: high ground, sturdy construction, good shutters, and fairly good schools. (All Florida schools are sub-par, but these were better than most.) Our neighborhood seldom has standing water even in the heaviest rains, but only another km west of here, the drained swamp often floods. Bright Blessings on all, and especially to those facing a terrifying future in the gulf states, Taryn ornae.com P.S. Kim, Love your Sig. Just wanted to borrow it once. _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
